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Cyrillisation game #2

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Since the old orthographisation threads were deleted for some reason, and the romanisation game was resurrected, might as well have a new cyrillisation game thread as well.

Let's start off with a very simple one just to get the ball rolling:

/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s t͡ʃ/
/s ʃ/
/v j h/
/r/
/l/

/a e i o u/
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And I just thought about posting such thing, so thanks!

/m n/ <м н>
/p b t d k g/ <п б т д к г>
/t͡s t͡ʃ/ <ц ч>
/s ʃ/ <с ш>
/v j h/ <в ј х>
/r/ <р>
/l/ <л>

/a e i o u/ <а е и о у>

Некст у꙼ан (Next one):
/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ/
/ f v s ʃ ç x h/
/m n nɣ ɲ/
/ɫ l ʎ j/
/ɾ ɾʲ r/

/ʲi ɪ ɯ u/
/e ə o/
/ʲe ʲɛ/
/a ɔ/
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/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ/ <б п д т г к>
/f v s ʃ ç x h/ <ф в с ш хь х һ>
/m n nɣ ɲ/ <м н нӷ нь>
/ɫ l ʎ j/ <лӷ л ль й>
/ɾ ɾʲ r/ <р рь ръ>

/ʲi ɪ ɯ u/ <и иъ ы у>
/e ə o/ <еъ э о>
/ʲe ʲɛ/ <е є>
/a ɔ/ <а оъ>

Next:

/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s d͡z/
/s z/
/(j) (ɰ) (w) h/
/r/
/l/
/t͡ɬ/

/ˠɯ̯ɑ ˠɯ ʷu̯o ʷu/
/ˠɯ̯ɑː ʷu̯oː ʷuː/
/ʲi̯æ ʲi̯e ʲi ʲi̯ø ʲi̯y/
/ʲi̯æː ʲi̯eː ʲiː ʲi̯øː ʲi̯yː/

/kʲi̯æːŋʲi̯e d͡zʷumsʷu̯oːl tˠɯ̯ɑˠɯ̯ɑːt͡ɬ/
[kʲi̯æːŋʲi̯e d̪͡z̪ʷums̪ʷu̯oːɫ̪ t̪ˠɯ̯ɑɰːɑːt̪͡ɬ̪]

(Word-initially and after other vowels, vowels are preceded by [ɰ], [w] or [j] depending on their quality, but those sounds don't occur otherwise, so they're technically allophonic.)
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/m n ŋ/ <м н ң>
/p b t d k g/ <п б т д к г>
/t͡s d͡z/ <ц ѕ>
/s z/ <с з>
/(j) (ɰ) (w) h/ <й ы̆ ў ч>
/r/ <р>
/l/ <л>
/t͡ɬ/ <тл>

/ˠɯ̯ɑ ˠɯ ʷu̯o ʷu/ <а ы о у>
/ˠɯ̯ɑː ʷu̯oː ʷuː/ <а̄ о̄ ӯ>
/ʲi̯æ ʲi̯e ʲi ʲi̯ø ʲi̯y/ <я е и ё ю>
/ʲi̯æː ʲi̯eː ʲiː ʲi̯øː ʲi̯yː/ <я̄ е̄ ӣ ё̄ ю̄>

(unfortunately Cyrillic doesn't do well with diacritics)

This is the phonology of my Crimean Gothic. Anyone wanna stab at it?:

/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/f v θ s z ʃ x ɣ/
/r l/
/j/
/ʃl ʃn ʃp ʃt ʃv/

/a e ə i o u/
/ja je jə jo ju/
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Crimean Gothic:

/m n/ м н
/p b t d k g/ п б т д к ґ
/f v θ s z ʃ x ɣ/ ф в ѳ с з ш х г
/r l/ р л
/j/ й in coda, otherwise use iotated vowels
/ʃl ʃn ʃp ʃt ʃv/ spell as clusters

/a e ə i o u/ а э і и о у
/ja je jə jo ju/ я е ы ю ү

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It almost seems too easy, ... i threw in a couple of tricks to suit my taste. the unadorned gamma goes to /ɣ/ on the hunch that it might be more common than the voiced velar stop, which gets the modified version. i reanalyzed Cyrillic ю as /jo/. i also reanalyzed ы as soft sign + i, and assigned the і glyph to the schwa. i couldnt find a dotless i but if non-Cyrllic characters are allowed i could borrow Latin dotless i. Im not too happy with using ү for /ju/, but my argument is that it might be allophonically fronted, and therefore could be considered an independent vowel rather than a modification of an existing vowel.

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I'll have my own up in minute.

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Rounded bilabials: /pʷ bʷ w/
Bilabials: /p b m pʲ bʲ mʲ /
Alveolars: / t d n s l tʲ dʲ nʲ sʲ /
Postalveolars: / tʃ dʒ ȵ ʃ ȴ /
Palatals: / c ɟ ɲ ɕ j/
Velars: / k g ŋ x ɣ kʲ /
Labiovelars: / kʷ gʷ xʷ ɣʷ /
Uvulars: / q h /
Rounded uvulars: / qʷ hʷ/

All consonants can occur in the coda.

Vowels are /a e i o u/ in major syllables and /a i/ in minor syllables. Most syllables are major, and the minor syllables are pronounced with very short duration.
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Pabappa wrote: 26 Aug 2019 03:20 Crimean Gothic:

/m n/ м н
/p b t d k g/ п б т д к ґ
/f v θ s z ʃ x ɣ/ ф в ѳ с з ш х г
/r l/ р л
/j/ й in coda, otherwise use iotated vowels
/ʃl ʃn ʃp ʃt ʃv/ spell as clusters

/a e ə i o u/ а э і и о у
/ja je jə jo ju/ я е ы ю ү

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It almost seems too easy, ... i threw in a couple of tricks to suit my taste. the unadorned gamma goes to /ɣ/ on the hunch that it might be more common than the voiced velar stop, which gets the modified version. i reanalyzed Cyrillic ю as /jo/. i also reanalyzed ы as soft sign + i, and assigned the і glyph to the schwa. i couldnt find a dotless i but if non-Cyrllic characters are allowed i could borrow Latin dotless i. Im not too happy with using ү for /ju/, but my argument is that it might be allophonically fronted, and therefore could be considered an independent vowel rather than a modification of an existing vowel.
Thanks. I wanted to see how someone else would have handled the cyrillicization. You are correct that /ɣ/ is much more common than /g/, in fact the latter is marginal and mostly found in loanwords, and I did the same as you here. I imported cyrillic psi <ѱ> to represent /θ/, mostly as a nod to Biblical Gothic. The reason I included the clusters /ʃl ʃn ʃp ʃt ʃv/ is due to the fact that I was thinking of spelling /ʃt/ as <щ>, but the rest did not have special characters, so perhaps it would be more logical to spell it as <шт>? I'm not sure about that.

Your idea for the vowels are interesting. I have been unsatisfied with representing the schwa phoneme, and I had tried е, ъ, э without really liking any of them. I'm not too partial to <i> either, dotless or dotted. Perhaps I might switch back to my original idea of using <ъ> for /ə/ and then use <ы> for /jə/ as you suggest (which leaves out yeri, but that's okay). For /jo/ and /ju/ I use the more common <ё> and <ю> respectively, and for /e/ and /je/ I use Ukrainian <е> and <є>, given the similarities to its alphabet already.

(NB next poster skip me, do Pabappa's inventory instead.)
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Rounded bilabials: /pʷ bʷ w/ <пу꙼ бу꙼ у꙼>
Bilabials: /p b m pʲ bʲ mʲ / <п б м пь бь мь>
Alveolars: / t d n s l tʲ dʲ nʲ sʲ / <т д н с л ть дь нь сь>
Postalveolars: / tʃ dʒ ȵ ʃ ȴ / <ч џ ԋ ш ԉ>
Palatals: / c ɟ ɲ ɕ j/ <ӄ* гь нь щ ј>
Velars: / k g ŋ x ɣ kʲ / <к г ӈ х ґ кь>
Labiovelars: / kʷ gʷ xʷ ɣʷ / <ку꙼ гу꙼ ху꙼ ґу꙼>
Uvulars: / q h / <қ ҳ>
Rounded uvulars: / qʷ hʷ/ <қу꙼ ҳу꙼>
* Letter used due to unavailability of other letters, in handwriting letter analogical to ԋ and ԉ, but made from к should be used.

/a e i o u/ <а е и о у>
Yotified vowels ("ligatures" of ь and vowel:)
/ʲa ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/ <я є і ю ꙕ>

Next one:
/p b t d k ɡ q ʔ/
/m n ŋ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ç x ɣ h/
/w j ɾ r l/

/i u ɪ ʊ/
/e o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/
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Vlürch wrote: 25 Aug 2019 19:35 Since the old orthographisation threads were deleted for some reason,
This is the reason.

/p b t d k ɡ q ʔ/ <п б т д к г ҡ ӏ>
/m n ŋ/ <м н ҥ>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ç x ɣ h/ <ф в с з ш ж щ х ҕ һ>
/w j ɾ r l/ <ў й р ҏ л>

/i u ɪ ʊ/ <и у ь ъ>
/e o/ <е о>
/ɛ ɔ/ <э ө>
/a/ <а>

Некст:

/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/
/ɸ θ s x h/
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z/
/m mˀ n nˀ/
/j w/
/r/
/l/

/i ɨ u/
/e o/
/ɛ/
/a/
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/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/ п ԥ б т ҭ д к қ г ъ
/ɸ θ s x h/ ф ѳ с х ҳ
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z/ ц ҵ з
/m mˀ n nˀ/ м ӎ н ӊ
/j w/ й ў
/r/ р
/l/ л

/i ɨ u/ і и у
/e o/ е о
/ɛ/ э
/a/ а

Next
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d k g ʔ/
/ɸ β s z ʃ ʒ x~h ɣ/
/ʦ ʣ ʧ ʤ/
/l ʎ j w/
/ɾ r/
/ɮ/

/i ʉ u ʊ e ɤ~ø o ə ɛ ʌ~œ ɔ a/
/iː ʉː uː ʊː eː ɤː~øː oː əː ɛː ʌː~œː ɔː aː/
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <м н њ ҥ>
/p b t d k g ʔ/ <п б т д к г ӏ>
/ɸ β s z ʃ ʒ x~h ɣ/<ф в с з ш ж х ҕ>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ц ѕ ч ђ>
/l ʎ j w/ <л љ й ў>
/ɾ r/ <р рр>
/ɮ/ <лл>

/i ʉ u ʊ e ɤ~ø o ə ɛ ʌ~œ ɔ a/ <и ү у ъ е ө о ә ё ӫ ӧ а>
/iː ʉː uː ʊː eː ɤː~øː oː əː ɛː ʌː~œː ɔː aː/ <ии үү уу ъъ ее өө оо әә ёё ӫӫ ӧӧ аа>

Некст:

/p t ʈ c k kʷ q ʔ/
/s ħ h/
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ ɴ/
/j w/
/ɾ ɽ/
/l ʎ/

/i u/
/e o/
/æ ɑ/
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/p t ʈ c k kʷ q ʔ/ п т ҭ ч к кў қ Ӏ
/s ħ h/ с х г
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ ɴ/ м н ң ԩ ӈ ӈў ҥ
/j w/ й ў
/ɾ ɽ/ р ҏ
/l ʎ/ л ԓ

/i u/ и у
/e o/ э о
/æ ɑ/ ӕ а
+ /j/
/ji ju/ і ю
/je jo/ е ё
/jæ jɑ/ ԙ я

Next
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d k g ʔ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/
/ʧ ʤ/
/l ʎ j w/
/ɾ r/

/i y u e ɤ~ə o ʌ~ɜ a/
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <м н њ ҥ>
/p b t d k g ʔ/ <п б т д к г ӏ>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/ <ф в с з ш ж һ>
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ч ӂ>
/l ʎ j w/ <л љ й ў>
/ɾ r/ <р ҏ>

/i y u e ɤ~ə o ʌ~ɜ a/ <и ү у е ы о ъ а>

Некст:

/b t d k q~ʁ ʔ/
/f θ s z ɕ ʑ ħ h/
/t͡ɕ d͡ʑ/
/m n/
/j w/
/r/
/ɬ/
/l/

/i iː u uː/
/e eː/
/a aː/
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/b t d k q~ʁ ʔ/ <б т д к г ъ>
/f θ s z ɕ ʑ ħ h/ <ф ц с з ш ж ҳ х>
/t͡ɕ d͡ʑ/ <ч ҷ>
/m n/ <м н>
/j w/ <ј в>
/r/ <р>
/ɬ/ <ӆ>
/l/ <л>

/i iː u uː/ <и ӣ у ӯ>
/e eː/ <э е>
/a aː/ <о а>

Next:

/ᵐb ⁿd ᶮɟ ᵑg/
/p t c k/
/s/
/ᵇβ̞ ᵈɹ ᶡj ᶢɰ/
/h/
/ɺ/

/a ə e i o u/
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/ᵐb ⁿd ᶮɟ ᵑg/ б д ђ ґ
/p t c k/ п т ч к
/s/ с
/ᵇβ̞ ᵈɹ ᶡj ᶢɰ/ в з ј ҕ
/h/ г
/ɺ/ р

/a ə e i o u/ а ь е и о у

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/b t d k q ʔ/
/tˁ dˁ/
/f θ ð s z ʃ x ɣ ħ ʕ ɦ/
/sˁ zˁ~ðˁ/
/ʤ/
/l j w/
/r/

Consonants found very occasionally in loanwords
/p g v ʧ/

/i a u iː aː uː/
/aj aw ja ji ju jaː jiː juː aːj aːw/
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/(p) b t d tˁ dˁ k (g) q ʔ/ <(п) б т д ҵ ԁ к (ґ) ҡ ӏ>
/f (v) θ ð s z sˁ zˁ~ðˁ ʃ x ɣ ħ ʕ ɦ/ <ф (в) ҫ ҙ с з ц ѕ ш х г ӿ ғ һ>
/(t͡ʃ) d͡ʒ/ <(ч) ж>
/m n/ <м н>
/l j w/ <л й ў>
/r/ <р>

/i a u iː aː uː/ <е ѧ о і а у>
/aj aw ja ji ju jaː jiː juː aːj aːw/ <ѧй ѧў ѩ є ё я ї ю ай аў>

Некст:

/p t k kʷ/
/s h/
/t͡s/
/m n ŋ ŋʷ/
/j w/
/l/

/i iː u uː/
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/
/ɑ ɑː/
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/p t k kʷ/ п т к кў
/s h/ с х
/t͡s/ ц
/m n ŋ ŋʷ/ м н ӈ ӈў
/j w/ й в
/l/ л

/i iː u uː/ и і у ю
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/ э е о ө
/ɑ ɑː/ а я

Нэкст/Next
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d c ɟ k g q ɢ/
/f v ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/
/l j w/
/r/
/ɬ ɮ/

/i y u e ø o ɑ/
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/m n ŋ/ <м н ӈ>
/p b t d c ɟ k g q ɢ/ <п б т д кь гь к г къ гъ>
/f v ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/ <ф в ҙ с з ш ж х ҕ хъ ҕъ һ ґ>
/l j w/ <л й ў>
/r/ <р>
/ɬ ɮ/ <сл зл>

/i y u e ø o ɑ/ <и ү у е ө о а>

Некст:

/p t c k/
/ɸ s ɕ h/
/t͡s t͡ɕ/
/m n ɲ/
/ʋ j/
/r rʲ/
/l ʎ/

/i u/
/e/
/æ ɑ/
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/p t c k/ п т қ к
/ɸ s ɕ h/ ф с ш г
/t͡s t͡ɕ/ ц ч
/m n ɲ/ м н ӊ
/ʋ j/ ў й
/r rʲ/ р ҏ
/l ʎ/ л ӆ

/i u/ и у
/e/ е
/æ ɑ/ а о
Palatized versions
/ʲi ʲu ʲe ʲæ ʲɑ/ і ю є я ꙕ

Next
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g ʔ/
/f v s z ʂ ʐ ʃ ʒ x~h ɣ/
/ʦ ʣ ʈʂ ɖʐ ʧ ʤ/
/l ʎ/
/r/
/j w/

/i ʉ u ʊ e ɤ o ə ɛ ɞ ʌ ɔ æ ɑ/
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/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <м н нъ нь нг>
/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g ʔ/ <п б т д тъ дъ к г ӏ>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ ʃ ʒ x~h ɣ/ <ф в с з съ зъ сь зь х ҕ>
/t͡s d͡z ʈ͡ʂ ɖ͡ʐ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ц ѕ цъ ѕъ ць ѕь>
/l ʎ/ <л ль>
/r/ <р>
/j w/ <ж ў>

/i ʉ u ʊ e ɤ o ə ɛ ɞ ʌ ɔ æ ɑ/ <и ү у ӱ е ы о ӕ ѣ ө э ӧ ә а>

Некст:

/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ q qʷ/
/ɸ s z ʃ ʒ x xʷ h/
/m n ŋ/
/ɻ j w/
/r/
/l ʟ/

/i u/
/e/
/a/
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/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ q qʷ/ <п б т д к г ӄ ҕ ћ ђ>
/ɸ s z ʃ ʒ x xʷ h/ <ф с з ш ж х ӽ һ>
/m n ŋ/ <м н ԣ>
/ɻ j w/ <ӂ й в>
/r/ <р>
/l ʟ/ <л ԡ>

/i u/ <і у>
/e/ <э>
/a/ <а>

/ja je ji ju/ <я е и ю>

Next:

/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ɕ d͡ʑ/
/t͡sʰ t͡ɕʰ/
/s z ɕ ʑ/
/j x/
/r/
/t͡ɬ d͡ɮ c͡ʎ̝̊ ɟ͡ʎ̝/
/t͡ɬʰ c͡ʎ̝̊ʰ/
/l ɬ ʎ ʎ̝̊/
/ʈ͡ʪ̠ ɖ͡ʫ̠/
/ʈ͡ʪ̠ʰ/

/a e i o ø u y/
/aː eː iː oː øː uː yː/
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