Guess the Word in Romlangs 2

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs 2

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Does it refer to a place? If not, does it refer to food?
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I Lorik wrote: 02 Jan 2022 20:55 Does it refer to a place? If not, does it refer to food?
[cross] No to both, I'm afraid.
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shimobaatar wrote: 02 Jan 2022 21:55
I Lorik wrote: 02 Jan 2022 20:55 Does it refer to a place? If not, does it refer to food?
[cross] No to both, I'm afraid.
Does it refer to a type of fantasy creature? You said a person was close.
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It does indeed refer to a mythological/folkloric entity or creature. [tick]
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Is it cheating to use Wikipedia? :P
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It's a sacamantecas, isn't it?
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qwed117 wrote: 27 Jan 2022 09:33 Is it cheating to use Wikipedia? :P
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It's a sacamantecas, isn't it?
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I don't feel like it's "cheating" to use Wikipedia. I mean, you can't just search for cuayexoñas and automatically find out what it means, and even if you could, that would be on me for making the word too similar to something in a natural Romance language. In any case, I did not expect this round to last three months, so I'm happy to acknowledge that you've reached the correct answer, regardless of which websites helped you get there. [:)]

The translation I had in mind was "bogeyman", but yes, cuayexoñas is based off of words like sacamantecas, sacamanteigas, and sacaúntos in Spanish and Galician. I thought that something like sacamantaigas or sacaúnchos would be too easy, so I decided to use different words for "to take, to extract" and "fat, lard".

I felt bad about not being able to answer several questions as clearly and straightforwardly as I would have ideally liked this round, so now that I don't have to worry about accidentally giving too much away, hopefully I can explain myself a bit better:
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shimobaatar wrote: 06 Dec 2021 00:52
VaptuantaDoi wrote: 06 Dec 2021 00:26 Did the thing it refers to exist before 1900?
[tick] The way you've worded this actually makes it a bit tricky to answer without potentially giving too much away, but yes, the word would/could have already been in use before the 20th century.
Technically, the thing that cuayexoñas refers to has never existed, so I didn't want to potentially cause confusion further down the line by implying "yes, it existed…" here, but at the same time, I feel like just saying "no, it didn't exist before 1900" and leaving it at that also would have been misleading. However, I assumed that the concept would likely predate 1900, and according to this Wikipedia page, some Spanish criminals in the 1800s were nicknamed sacamantecas, so I decided to just say that the word cuayexoñas could have already been in use before 1900.
shimobaatar wrote: 08 Dec 2021 18:28
thomasp3864 wrote: 08 Dec 2021 03:31 Does it refer to something lard related?
[cross] This is another one that I'm finding a bit tricky to answer, but I'm going to say that no, it probably won't be helpful to think of it as something related to lard. The connection between what cuayexoñas refers to and what xoña(s) typically means by itself is likely not going to be obvious.
A cuayexoñas is equivalent to what's known in Spanish as a sacamantecas. According to legend, this is a creature that kidnaps children to extract their body fat, hence names like sacamantecas and sacaúntos. So, for speakers of some Iberian Romance languages, the thing that cuayexoñas refers to is, in a way, lard-related. However, my intention was to help lead people towards guessing "bogeyman", and for most English speakers, I don't think there's any obvious connection between "lard, fat" and a "bogeyman".
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Dec 2021 14:58
Mándinrùh wrote: 09 Dec 2021 20:25 Is it a person?
[cross]

I think it would be misleading to say that it refers to a person, but you're still closer to being on the right track than anyone else so far.
I wasn't sure how to say that a cuayexoñas is a "being" or an "entity", but not exactly a "person" or an "animal", without just coming out and saying that it's a mythological/folkloric creature.
shimobaatar wrote: 16 Dec 2021 17:12
VaptuantaDoi wrote: 16 Dec 2021 03:37 Does it refer to something concrete or abstract?
Hmm… Simply saying that it's either concrete or abstract and just leaving it at that would feel misleading to me, I'm afraid. I'd say that it's less concrete than a "table" or "chair", but not as abstract as something like "awareness" or "disadvantage".

This is another question that I'm not quite sure how to answer without feeling like I'm giving too much away. I apologize, since I know this isn't very helpful. Hopefully, though, the reasons for my hesitance will become clear once the meaning of the word is discovered.
It felt misleading to say that a cuayexoñas is something concrete, since it's not something that actually exists outside of stories. However, in those stories, it's a creature that's concrete enough to kidnap people, so it also felt misleading to say that a cuayexoñas is something entirely abstract. Again, though, I wasn't sure how to clearly explain myself without feeling as though I was giving too much away.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs 2

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qwed117 wrote: 27 Jan 2022 09:33 Is it cheating to use Wikipedia? :P
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It's a sacamantecas, isn't it?
I think you get to put a word from your romlang for us to guess now!
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If qwed117 would like to pass, I'd give the next turn to VaptuantaDoi for having been the first to guess that cuaye- derives from colligō.
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shimobaatar wrote: 08 Feb 2022 12:36 If qwed117 would like to pass, I'd give the next turn to VaptuantaDoi for having been the first to guess that cuaye- derives from colligō.
Might wanna ping them somehow
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It looks like qwed's decided to pass*, so here's a word.

Language: Vissard
Word: chaffesagues
IPA: [saˈfaɡ]

This might end up being really easy, although bear in mind that nothing in either of the Vissard threads is relevant/up to date.

*If they're not, I'd be happy to surrender the turn.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs 2

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Is it a noun?
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shimobaatar wrote: 02 Mar 2022 13:48 Is it a noun?
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Is it a compound?
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Titus Flavius wrote: 02 Mar 2022 21:43 Is it a compound?
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Is it a Spanish-style "verb + plural noun" compound (e.g, sacapuntas, rascacielos, rompecabezas)?
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Titus Flavius wrote: 02 Mar 2022 22:29 Is it a Spanish-style "verb + plural noun" compound (e.g, sacapuntas, rascacielos, rompecabezas)?
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Are the verb and the noun that make up this compound chaffe- and -sagues, respectively?
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs 2

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shimobaatar wrote: 03 Mar 2022 23:57 Are the verb and the noun that make up this compound chaffe- and -sagues, respectively?
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Did chaffe begin with CA- in Latin?
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Titus Flavius wrote: 04 Mar 2022 14:53 Did chaffe begin with CA- in Latin?
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