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cainlha
[ˈkãj̃ʎa]
"shark"
The head of this noun phrase.

netun
[neˈtũ]
Acting as an adjective modifying cainlha in this phrase.
Has nothing to do with water or the ocean.
Land shark?
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jimydog000 wrote: 21 Sep 2020 10:04 I'm not sure how a god could become the word for blue, but.
"god of the sea" > "sea" > "blue", I suppose?
jimydog000 wrote: 21 Sep 2020 10:04 Blue Shark?

Whaleshark?
[cross] [cross]
Jackk wrote: 21 Sep 2020 10:39 Something something "trident" something something...
[cross]
Jackk wrote: 21 Sep 2020 10:39 Hammerhead shark?
[cross]
eldin raigmore wrote: 21 Sep 2020 12:41 Land shark?
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Is netun a word of/for declination? like surface, bottom etc?
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jimydog000 wrote: 22 Sep 2020 07:21 Is netun a word of/for declination? like surface, bottom etc?
[cross]

I should have realized that the meaning of netun would be particularly difficult to guess. I've been trying to think of a hint or something I could say without either giving too much away or making things even more confusing. I don't know how helpful this will be, but this exact semantic shift ("Neptūnus, Neptūnum" > "???") took place in a natural Romance language.
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Anything to do with clouds or nebulae or fog or mist ?
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eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Sep 2020 18:39 Anything to do with clouds or nebulae or fog or mist ?
[cross]
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Anything to do with whelks or snails or other shellfish or cephalopods or Gastropoda?
Anything to do with invertebrate animals?
Anything to do with marine or aquatic animals?

You did say, didn’t you, this thing is some kind of chondrichthyes or cartilaginous fish?
One with jaws?
A shark?

I admit I’m totally at sea!
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A roman god, that was once the god of rivers, and then the god of the sea.
Derives from accusative singular form, as in roughly and figuratively: "I see Neptunum".
Modifies the word for shark.

Is it just a species of dogfish?
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eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Sep 2020 18:48 Anything to do with whelks or snails or other shellfish or cephalopods or Gastropoda?
Anything to do with invertebrate animals?
Anything to do with marine or aquatic animals?
Regarding netun in particular, [cross] [cross] [cross]

Regarding the phrase as a whole, [cross] [cross] [tick]
eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Sep 2020 18:48 You did say, didn’t you, this thing is some kind of chondrichthyes or cartilaginous fish?
One with jaws?
A shark?
I've said this, at least:
shimobaatar wrote: 21 Sep 2020 03:38 cainlha
[ˈkãj̃ʎa]
  • "shark"
  • The head of this noun phrase.
If I didn't confirm it before, though, the phrase as a whole does refer to a type of shark. [tick]

jimydog000 wrote: 22 Sep 2020 19:37 A roman god, that was once the god of rivers, and then the god of the sea.
Derives from accusative singular form, as in roughly and figuratively: "I see Neptunum".
Modifies the word for shark.
I wouldn't read too much into the particular Classical Latin forms I've been citing. I just chose the nominative singular because it's typically the citation form for CL nouns, and the accusative singular because - from what I understand - inherited nouns (as opposed to those later borrowed directly from Latin) in modern Romance languages, at least Western ones, are typically descended from the accusative singular forms of CL nouns.
jimydog000 wrote: 22 Sep 2020 19:37 Is it just a species of dogfish?
[cross]

For anyone who'd like one, I'll be putting a hint here under a spoiler. Hopefully it'll help, but if you find it just makes things more confusing, please feel free to ignore it.

Spoiler:
netun is not a proper noun, but the fact that it derives from the name of a Roman god, Neptune, is significant. However, I'd say that there isn't anything about Neptune specifically that's relevant to discerning the word's current meaning.
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I tried cheating by looking up all the words derived from “Neptune” in all the modern Romance languages, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to do that on-line.

..... ..... ..... ..... .....

Baby Shark doodoot doodoot doot doot?
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eldin raigmore wrote: 23 Sep 2020 01:38 I tried cheating by looking up all the words derived from “Neptune” in all the modern Romance languages, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to do that on-line.
The Wiktionary entry for Neptūnus does not mention the modern word I have in mind, but the etymology section of the entry for the modern word I have in mind does mention Neptūnus.

Note that, unlike netun, the modern word I have in mind from a natural Romance language has undergone a number of "deformations", so to speak, due to analogy.
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shimobaatar wrote: 23 Sep 2020 02:09Note that, unlike netun, the modern word I have in mind from a natural Romance language has undergone a number of "deformations", so to speak, due to analogy.
Wow, time to pull out all the research stops! [:D]

TIL French lutin "imp, elf, pixie" comes from Neptunus! [:O] So is the phrase some kind of dwarf shark, like a lanternshark?
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Jackk wrote: 23 Sep 2020 02:14
shimobaatar wrote: 23 Sep 2020 02:09Note that, unlike netun, the modern word I have in mind from a natural Romance language has undergone a number of "deformations", so to speak, due to analogy.
Wow, time to pull out all the research stops! [:D]

TIL French lutin "imp, elf, pixie" comes from Neptunus! [:O]
[tick] Yes! That's the word I had in mind! Well done!
Jackk wrote: 23 Sep 2020 02:14 So is the phrase some kind of dwarf shark, like a lanternshark?
[cross] No, I'm afraid not.
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eldin raigmore wrote: 23 Sep 2020 01:38 Baby Shark doodoot doodoot doot doot?
There’s such a thing as a pixie shark?!??!!???!!!
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Grumpkin Shark doodoot doodoot doot doot.

Pygmy Shark?

Great White Shark... 'Cause demon something something.
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jimydog000 wrote: 23 Sep 2020 07:08 Pygmy Shark?

Great White Shark... 'Cause demon something something.
[cross] [cross]

netun is related to the appearance of this species, not its size or "ferocity", so to speak.
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an impish shark sounds like a goblin shark, if that hasn’t already been said
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qwed117 wrote: 24 Sep 2020 00:39 goblin shark
[tick]

requin-lutin in French.
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shimobaatar wrote: 24 Sep 2020 01:22
qwed117 wrote: 24 Sep 2020 00:39 goblin shark
[tick]

requin-lutin in French.
Wooo! A very cool word and a good chance to learn some new Mad Etymology haha [:D]

Great choice, shimo!
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shimobaatar wrote: 24 Sep 2020 01:22
qwed117 wrote: 24 Sep 2020 00:39 goblin shark
[tick]

requin-lutin in French.
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