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qwed117 wrote: 05 Jan 2021 03:24 Oh from *-ê/*-ô, an adverbalizer?
Yes. (probably from the latter, but it wouldn't actually make a difference in this case)
You mentioned that rą́ngong originates in 3 PG morphemes, and that one of the points where it can be subdivided is rą́ng-ong. Can the "ong" part be subdivided further?
No. Well, not at the Proto-Germanic level, I don't know about before that.
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Salmoneus wrote: 05 Jan 2021 13:16
You mentioned that rą́ngong originates in 3 PG morphemes, and that one of the points where it can be subdivided is rą́ng-ong. Can the "ong" part be subdivided further?
No. Well, not at the Proto-Germanic level, I don't know about before that.
Perhaps r-ą́ng-ong?
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Correct.
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Is the initial morpheme in rą́ngong from PGmc. *uz-?
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Yes!
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Is ą́ng from *angô?
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It is not.
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Salmoneus wrote: 13 Dec 2020 13:15
Creyeditor wrote: 13 Dec 2020 11:42 Is ong a nominalizer/gerund/participle suffix?
Yes. For the purposes of this word, you can see it as a gerund or verbal noun deriver.
Based on what's been said about -ong, I'm tentatively assuming that (r)ą́ng- is a verb. If that's correct, was the morpheme ancestral to -ą́ng- already the root of a verb in Proto-Germanic, or was this verb derived later on from, for example, a noun or adjective? Hopefully that makes sense.
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All of this is correct. The -ang- element (forgive my laziness with my own orthography!) is indeed descended from a PGmc verb root.
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Salmoneus wrote: 11 Jan 2021 03:24 All of this is correct. The -ang- element (forgive my laziness with my own orthography!) is indeed descended from a PGmc verb root.
Oh, no worries at all, of course! [:)]

Looking at Wiktionary, at least, *angwijaną seems to me like a possible candidate for the ancestor of -ą́ng-, at least based on superficial resemblance. One potential issue with this, I feel, is the apparent lack of i-umlaut when compared to the Old/Middle Dutch and Old Norse reflexes listed, although I'm really not familiar enough with this language or its history to know, among other things, whether or not umlaut should be expected here.

Anyway, my question is whether or not I'm on the right track with *angwijaną.
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You're on an excellent and sensible track... which is unfortunately completely wrong. It's not related to angwijana, though I admit it looks like it should be.

[without running it through the soundchange machine, my immediate thought is that there would be umlaut, but it wouldn't look like it to casual viewers: it would probably have a front /a/, undoing backing to /A/ caused by the -ngw. So i'm guessing that that would be angwa, with a short front /a/ - although it's possible that that -wij- sequence will fall into a loophole of some sort that I don't remember.]
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is it from *gangana?
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Nope.

Nor, to be honest, is it from anything that you're likely to be able to guess at this stage, given what you do and don't know yet...
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Did the -ang- morpheme start with a consonant in PG?
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No.
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Did it start with a low vowel?
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