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Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 00:37
by zyma
Let's give this a try.
Language: Lemovian
Word:
kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Edit: Split from
the first thread, as it had reached over 100 pages. -Aszev, 2020-05-06
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 00:57
by spanick
shimobaatar wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020 00:37
Let's give this a try.
Language: Lemovian
Word:
kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 02:42
by zyma
spanick wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020 00:57
shimobaatar wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020 00:37
Let's give this a try.
Language: Lemovian
Word:
kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 02:50
by spanick
Is Kviunands a present participle?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 10:13
by zyma
spanick wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020 02:50
Is Kviunands a present participle?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 11:21
by J_from_Holland
Comes
kviunands from *
kwīnandz?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 10 Mar 2020 12:08
by zyma
It does not.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 14 Mar 2020 19:15
by spanick
Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 15 Mar 2020 16:44
by zyma
spanick wrote: ↑14 Mar 2020 19:15
Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 18 Mar 2020 00:21
by qwed117
From **kwiknaną?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 18 Mar 2020 03:17
by zyma
qwed117 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020 00:21
From **kwiknaną?
Essentially.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 26 Mar 2020 12:57
by spanick
Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 29 Mar 2020 13:47
by zyma
spanick wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:57
Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 11 Apr 2020 01:59
by zyma
shimobaatar wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020 00:37
Language: Lemovian
Word:
kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
- It is a noun phrase.
- kviunands is the present participle of a verb deriving from *kwiknaną.
- frastänodheds is made up of multiple morphemes, but there is only one root. It is not a compound.
As a hint,
frastänodheds consists of five morphemes.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 11 Apr 2020 02:01
by Salmoneus
Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s
?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 11 Apr 2020 02:18
by zyma
Salmoneus wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020 02:01
Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s
?
fra-stän-od-hed-s
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 11 Apr 2020 12:51
by Salmoneus
Do these correspond to:
fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)
standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')
something else I can't guess at...
haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?
genitive singular -as/-is?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Posted: 11 Apr 2020 14:36
by zyma
Salmoneus wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020 12:51
fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)
*fra- is specifically what I had in mind.
Salmoneus wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020 12:51
standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')
Salmoneus wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020 12:51
haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?
It could potentially be helpful for me to note that this suffix was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than inherited directly from Proto-Germanic.
Salmoneus wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020 12:51
genitive singular -as/-is?
It was nominative singular, but as I've noted below, including this suffix on this particular word was a mistake on my part.
My apologies - I've just realized that the phrase should actually be
kviunande frastänodhed. The only difference has to do with grammatical gender, so nothing has changed in terms of meaning.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 25 May 2020 20:49
by zyma
kviunande
- The present participle of a verb deriving from Proto-Germanic *kwiknaną.
- Modifies the head of the noun phrase, and therefore takes the feminine nominative singular agreement suffix -e.
frastänodhed
- The head of the noun phrase.
- Made up of four morphemes, but only one root: fra-stän-od-hed.
- The first morpheme is descended from Proto-Germanic *fra-.
- The second morpheme is not descended from Proto-Germanic *standaną or *stāną.
- The fourth morpheme is equivalent to the English suffix -hood, but was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than directly inherited from Proto-Germanic *haiduz.
Some additional information that may be helpful:
- The root of frastänodhed is -stän-.
- frastänodhed is a noun derived from the past participle of a verb.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 31 Jul 2020 20:22
by zyma
If anyone's still interested in guessing, I could give some additional information. Or should I just reveal the meaning so someone else can take the next turn?