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Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 00:37
by zyma
Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]

Edit: Split from the first thread, as it had reached over 100 pages. -Aszev, 2020-05-06

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 00:57
by spanick
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Mar 2020 00:37 Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 02:42
by zyma
spanick wrote: 10 Mar 2020 00:57
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Mar 2020 00:37 Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?
[tick]

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 02:50
by spanick
Is Kviunands a present participle?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 10:13
by zyma
spanick wrote: 10 Mar 2020 02:50 Is Kviunands a present participle?
[tick]

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 11:21
by J_from_Holland
Comes kviunands from *kwīnandz?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 10 Mar 2020 12:08
by zyma
J_from_Holland wrote: 10 Mar 2020 11:21 Comes kviunands from *kwīnandz?
[cross] It does not.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 14 Mar 2020 19:15
by spanick
Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 15 Mar 2020 16:44
by zyma
spanick wrote: 14 Mar 2020 19:15 Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?
[tick]

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 18 Mar 2020 00:21
by qwed117
From **kwiknaną?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 18 Mar 2020 03:17
by zyma
qwed117 wrote: 18 Mar 2020 00:21 From **kwiknaną?
[tick] Essentially.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 26 Mar 2020 12:57
by spanick
Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 29 Mar 2020 13:47
by zyma
spanick wrote: 26 Mar 2020 12:57 Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?
[tick]

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 01:59
by zyma
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Mar 2020 00:37 Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
  • It is a noun phrase.
  • kviunands is the present participle of a verb deriving from *kwiknaną.
  • frastänodheds is made up of multiple morphemes, but there is only one root. It is not a compound.
As a hint, frastänodheds consists of five morphemes.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 02:01
by Salmoneus
Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s

?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 02:18
by zyma
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 02:01 Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s

?
[tick] fra-stän-od-hed-s

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 12:51
by Salmoneus
Do these correspond to:

fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)

standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')

something else I can't guess at...

haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?

genitive singular -as/-is?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 14:36
by zyma
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 12:51 fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)
[tick] *fra- is specifically what I had in mind.
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 12:51 standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')
[cross]
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 12:51 haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?
[tick]

It could potentially be helpful for me to note that this suffix was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than inherited directly from Proto-Germanic.
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 12:51 genitive singular -as/-is?
[cross] It was nominative singular, but as I've noted below, including this suffix on this particular word was a mistake on my part.

My apologies - I've just realized that the phrase should actually be kviunande frastänodhed. The only difference has to do with grammatical gender, so nothing has changed in terms of meaning.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

Posted: 25 May 2020 20:49
by zyma
kviunande
  • The present participle of a verb deriving from Proto-Germanic *kwiknaną.
  • Modifies the head of the noun phrase, and therefore takes the feminine nominative singular agreement suffix -e.
frastänodhed
  • The head of the noun phrase.
  • Made up of four morphemes, but only one root: fra-stän-od-hed.
  • The first morpheme is descended from Proto-Germanic *fra-.
  • The second morpheme is not descended from Proto-Germanic *standaną or *stāną.
  • The fourth morpheme is equivalent to the English suffix -hood, but was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than directly inherited from Proto-Germanic *haiduz.
Some additional information that may be helpful:
  • The root of frastänodhed is -stän-.
  • frastänodhed is a noun derived from the past participle of a verb.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

Posted: 31 Jul 2020 20:22
by zyma
If anyone's still interested in guessing, I could give some additional information. Or should I just reveal the meaning so someone else can take the next turn?