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It's an uninspiring mismash of bits of Arabic and English grammar. Doesn't leave a lot to be said.
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MrKrov wrote:It's an uninspiring mishmash of bits of Arabic and English grammar.
Alright, noted.
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May be my lack of Semitic knowledge...

I don't notice Arabic grammar anywhere's.
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Itsuki Kohaku wrote:I don't notice Arabic grammar anywhere.
Tip: you didn't need that apostrophe s there.

3 cases, NOM, ACC and GEN, also a DEF article and no INDEF
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sano wrote:
Itsuki Kohaku wrote:I don't notice Arabic grammar anywhere.
Tip: you didn't need that apostrophe s there.

3 cases, NOM, ACC and GEN, also a DEF article and no INDEF

Everyone makes mistakes in grammar. And I'm usually not one of them.. How could I miss that?

And now I see. The Arabic influence yes.
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sano wrote:
Itsuki Kohaku wrote:I don't notice Arabic grammar anywhere.
Tip: you didn't need that apostrophe s there.

3 cases, NOM, ACC and GEN, also a DEF article and no INDEF
That and the bits of actual morphology given are basically identical, with the case suffixes switching roles around somewhat.

I find it a wee bit odd /ʒ/ has no voiceless counterpart and /t͡ʃ/ has no voiced counterpart.
And /u/ becomes [w] but /i/ and /j/ are distinct.
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MrKrov wrote:I find it a wee bit odd /ʒ/ has no voiceless counterpart and /t͡ʃ/ has no voiced counterpart.
And /u/ becomes [w] but /i/ and /j/ are distinct.
"The exceptions are c, which is pronounced as a voiceless postalveolar fricative, j, which is pronounced as a voiced postalveolar fricative..."

The distinction between /i/ and /j/ is a personal preference...I've never been a fan of <i> being used for /j/.
MrKrov wrote:That and the bits of actual morphology given are basically identical, with the case suffixes switching roles around somewhat.
Yeah, I'm not tryin' out for any awards here, just tryin' to make a decent language, y'know.
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A unique phonology is good.
I should probably have given Makurungou a more unique phonology.
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Itsuki Kohaku wrote:A unique phonology is good.
While I agree, I'm not inclined to brag about Alel's phonology being all that unique...it is rather vanilla compared to many others.
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Not only Arabic grammar, but Arabic lexicon such as ketab.
Itsuki Kohaku wrote:A unique phonology is good.
Maybe, but not to the point of being unrealistic.
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"To form the plural, add the ending -t, or -at to words ending in a consonant. If a word ends in an alveolar plosive, then the endings -m, or -em respectively"

If it ends in an alveolar plosive, of course it ends in a consonant, so why list -m?

Also, is there really no allophony at all?
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I am quite amazed about the a-posteriori vocabulary which draws inspiration from a wide area. :shrug: Yes, the grammar is still rather incomplete, but so far it does look not very new to me (if your intention is an easy auxlang or fictional auxlang it so far meets that goal). However, the fact that you actually thought about fractions is IMHO good.
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Nortaneous wrote:If it ends in an alveolar plosive, of course it ends in a consonant, so why list -m?
Excellent point, indeed...I worded it poorly. Even if the word is something like /su:.te:/ then -m would be used (because the /t/ is the last consonant) but I guess I wasn't sure just how to word that.
Nortaneous wrote:Also, is there really no allophony at all?
Well, I'm no good with that sort of thing...it's not that I don't understand the concept, or even find it somewhat interesting, but my powers of description often leave something to be desired with respects to details in a phonology.

A few possibilities that I have thought of:

/S/ > /tS/ word final

/i/ > /I/ when in stressed syllable

/t/ & /d/ > /T/ & /D/ when preceded by front vowel

etc...

So as you can see, nothing too grand or spectacular, and I am not a fan of complex (detailed) phonologies....I enjoy more lexicon building and script making.
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sano wrote:
Nortaneous wrote:If it ends in an alveolar plosive, of course it ends in a consonant, so why list -m?
Excellent point, indeed...I worded it poorly. Even if the word is something like /su:.te:/ then -m would be used (because the /t/ is the last consonant) but I guess I wasn't sure just how to word that.
"if the last consonant in word is an alveolar plosive, ..."
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Nortaneous wrote:"if the last consonant in word is an alveolar plosive, ..."
Awesome, thanks.

EDIT: Change made.
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The grammar is very much like Arabic, from what I can tell, but I like the fact that you took many sources for the lexicon.
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