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Re: Siglisc (Germanic lang) 4.0

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Progressive is usually marked with particle "bestid".
The idea behind it is Estonian "praegu" or Finnish "par(asta )aikaa, 'best time'.
It is used only when the context demands specifying aspect.
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Omzinesý wrote: 27 Jun 2019 23:00
Omzinesý wrote: 23 Jan 2017 22:29
Omzinesý wrote:Future can be expressed with the present or auxiliary sca (cognate to English shall).

(3a) Ek muc mye fren morgi. ~ (3b) Ek sca mucn mye fren morgi. ‘I (will) meet my friend tomorrow.’
I'll change the future tense.

Future is expressed by verb gan 'to go'.
If gan is used as a motion verb, its verbal complement takes particple szu.
(1) Ek ga szu scemn. 'I'm going swimming.'

As the future auxiliary, it does not take the particle.
(2) Ek ga scemn. 'I will swim.'

The past form of sca, scu, was used as would in English.
In conditional sentences, it's actually not needed at all.
Particles 'if' vs. 'when' take care of the distinction.
The past form of gan is gi , sporadic shortening compared to German ging or Swedish gick. /g/ does analogically appear instead of /j/.
Without sze it means 'would'.

(4) Ek gi szu scemn. 'I went swimming.'
(5) Ek gi scemn. 'I would swim.'
'Would have' as an auxiliary is now gin <- gi haun
Earlier it was he past conjunctive of haun.
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Sak [zak] 'thing, object '
ting 'something '
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Omzinesý wrote: 17 Mar 2017 10:54 Adjectives

I realized I haven't said anything about adjectives.

Basic positive adjectives do not inflect.

En glad man gai op gange.
'A happy man is walking in a footpath.'

De man s glad.
'The man is happy.'


The comparative is formed with the particle me 'more' and the superlative with mesz 'most'.

Some adjective have irregular comparatives and superlatives.
beta 'better', besz 'best'
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The old agglutinative comparative suffix -er -> a has become a absolute comparative that means something like 'rather, quite'. It's not very frequent however.
guda 'rather good'
glada 'quite glad'
Modifying adjectives usually precede their head noun. Adjectives can, however, be emphasized by positioning them after the noun. Then the article has the relativization marker -n.

en glad man 'a happy man'
de glad man 'the happy man'

enn man glad 'a happy man'
den man glad 'the happy man' ~ 'the man that is happy'
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"s" 'is' is usually used in general copula clauses.
(1)
Ek s conlangre.
['ɛks'kɔnlaŋɾɛ]
'I am a conlanger.'

"sy" is used in equative clauses.
(2)
Ek sy Omzinesý.
['ɛgzai(j)ɔmt͡sinɛ'zai] (I guess this is how they would read my name.)
'I am omzinesý.'

"sy" is also used emphatically.
(3)
Ek sy conlangre.
['ɛg'zai'kɔnlaŋɾɛ]
'I am a conlanger.' (don't question it)

"fra" is the past form of both.
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Re: Siglisc (Germanic lang) 4.0

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Consonants:
pʰ <p>, tʰ <t>, kʰ <k>
b <b>, d <d>, g <g>
t͡s <z>, t͡ʃ <c>
f <f>, s <sz>, ʃ <sc>, h <h>
v <v>, z <s>
m <m>, n <n>, ŋ <ng>
ɾ <r>
l <l>, j <j>

Vowels:
i <i>, u <u>
ɛ <e>, ɔ <o>
a <a>
Diphthongs:
aɪ <y>, aʊ <au>, ɔɪ <eu>
I’d like to know your perspective on how you develop orthographies. Personally I make mine the most intuitive for the average English speaker, which would’ve looked a lot different than this; I’d like to know if the aesthetic of particular Germanic languages drove some of these decisions. The sz and s thing you have going on is reminiscent of Hungarian’s sz vs s system to me, and the j for /j/ feels very “Norse” for lack of a better term?

Overall very cool, albeit very different from what I’d do given the same inventory. Definitely looks distinct on the page.
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teotlxixtli wrote: 16 Jun 2021 09:06
Consonants:
pʰ <p>, tʰ <t>, kʰ <k>
b <b>, d <d>, g <g>
t͡s <z>, t͡ʃ <c>
f <f>, s <sz>, ʃ <sc>, h <h>
v <v>, z <s>
m <m>, n <n>, ŋ <ng>
ɾ <r>
l <l>, j <j>

Vowels:
i <i>, u <u>
ɛ <e>, ɔ <o>
a <a>
Diphthongs:
aɪ <y>, aʊ <au>, ɔɪ <eu>
I’d like to know your perspective on how you develop orthographies. Personally I make mine the most intuitive for the average English speaker, which would’ve looked a lot different than this; I’d like to know if the aesthetic of particular Germanic languages drove some of these decisions. The sz and s thing you have going on is reminiscent of Hungarian’s sz vs s system to me, and the j for /j/ feels very “Norse” for lack of a better term?

Overall very cool, albeit very different from what I’d do given the same inventory. Definitely looks distinct on the page.
Yes, and an orthography made for an average Somali speaker would have had a third flavour.

I think this is mostly based on German, but with an a-posteriori lang, one can make the orthography somewhat historical.

Probably the most important sound change from Proto-Germanic is *t => t͡s. It is shared with German and also written with <z> in both.

For example
(1) PG st
(2) t => t͡s, st => st͡s
(3) st͡s => s:
(4) s: => s

The orthography <sz> reflects historical state (2), while modern pronunciation is (4).
Single *s, on the other hand, became /z/ in an earlier state, again like in German.

German letter <ß> is called Eszett because historically it is a ligature of <sz>.

BTW, I was to use Siglisc szagn as an example but it seems that English stay is just a boring French loan, and a descendant of PG *stāną should be szan in Siglisc. I have to think what I should do with the verb.

Similarly <sc> for [ʃ] derives from PG *sk before front vowels, because *k => t͡ʃ <c> before front vowels.

Most Germanic langs use <j> for /j/, so I think it's quite intuitive.
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I'm considering adding a new participle -ri from actor nominalization -re and adjectival suffix -i (German -ig, English -y).

en slapri princessa 'a sleeping princess'
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