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Got a new core vocabulary from a fellow conlanger, that seems to be working out well. So I've broken my word list down into the English word in the first column. Columns 2 through 4 are for present, past, and future tense verb forms. The last column, #5 is for all other parts of speech including the noun form of the verb where needed. So far Shu has 1057 words and counting. Have done a lot of thinking on this conlang and have decided that if you wish to be fluent in it, you can. If you talk like the way the Native American Indians do in those old western movies, you can do that in Shu as well. [:D]
DESH ABONUK KE NI NA
(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Larryrl wrote: 03 Aug 2021 07:55 Got a new core vocabulary from a fellow conlanger, that seems to be working out well. So I've broken my word list down into the English word in the first column. Columns 2 through 4 are for present, past, and future tense verb forms. The last column, #5 is for all other parts of speech including the noun form of the verb where needed. So far Shu has 1057 words and counting. Have done a lot of thinking on this conlang and have decided that if you wish to be fluent in it, you can. If you talk like the way the Native American Indians do in those old western movies, you can do that in Shu as well. [:D]
Heh, I always cringed when the Hollywood Indian characters in movies put -um at the end of every verb. Hollywood stereotyping, much?
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Khemehekis wrote: 03 Aug 2021 08:13
Larryrl wrote: 03 Aug 2021 07:55 Got a new core vocabulary from a fellow conlanger, that seems to be working out well. So I've broken my word list down into the English word in the first column. Columns 2 through 4 are for present, past, and future tense verb forms. The last column, #5 is for all other parts of speech including the noun form of the verb where needed. So far Shu has 1057 words and counting. Have done a lot of thinking on this conlang and have decided that if you wish to be fluent in it, you can. If you talk like the way the Native American Indians do in those old western movies, you can do that in Shu as well. [:D]
Heh, I always cringed when the Hollywood Indian characters in movies put -um at the end of every verb. Hollywood stereotyping, much?
No not really, it is just some people's speech is broken and I want them to know they have a home with Shu, just like everybody else. I did not really like the um thing either. I liked how Tanto would ask the Lone Raanger "You want me go to town buy supplies?" heh. Also, it is fully how Tanto would say "heap big wampum" which I never understood. Heap and Big, together makes no sense, since they basically mean the same thing the way he tries to use it. It's like saying big twice.
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(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Larryrl wrote: 04 Aug 2021 22:37 No not really, it is just some people's speech is broken and I want them to know they have a home with Shu, just like everybody else. I did not really like the um thing either. I liked how Tanto would ask the Lone Raanger "You want me go to town buy supplies?" heh. Also, it is fully how Tanto would say "heap big wampum" which I never understood. Heap and Big, together makes no sense, since they basically mean the same thing the way he tries to use it. It's like saying big twice.
Well, a lot of people use redundant language. Like why do people say "in the nighttime" when they could just say "in the night"? I also know a lot of people where I live who start sentences with "Ain't nobody" or "Ain't nothing": "Jolene, ain't nobody want to hear you complain!" "Ain't nothing you can do about it".

I actually knew a man named Don who would ride me around with his son Jeremy (who had MR) and a man with Down's syndrome named Rovaughn. Don would sometimes explain to people that "Rovaughn speaks like an Indian". Of course, he could get away with saying that because Don himself was Cherokee.
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I opened up my language more, by changing my affixes slightly.
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LETTER POSITION IN WORD MEANING
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B FIRST LETTER PRESENT
D FIRST LETTER PRESENT
K FIRST LETTER PAST
L FIRST LETTER PAST
H FIRST LETTER FUTURE
J FIRST LETTER FUTURE
AB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
AD FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
AK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
AL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
AH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
AJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OD FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
OJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
EB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ED FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
EK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
EL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
EH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
EJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
IB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ID FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
IK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
IL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
IH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
IJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UD FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
UJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶB FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶD FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶK FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶL FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶH FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
ŶJ FIRST TWO LETTERS NOUN MADE FROM A VERB
Now all vowels may be the first letter of nouns that are made from verbs, not just "A" or "o" [:D]
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NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
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Also, I added another "A" the A breve to the language, the symbol is the ""Ă" A breve to represent the "æ" sound. Also, I added the "Ŭ" U breve to represent the "ʌ" sound like the "U" in the words "Cup" and "luck" and also the "F-word"

That way I keep opening the language up for more diversity, and all the words do not end up sounding so similar. It has 1538 words and counting. This process is teaching me, that however limited you make the idea of it when you start, that is just how limited it will be to try to create and work with.
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(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Larryrl wrote: 06 Aug 2021 01:49 Also, I added another "A" the A breve to the language, the symbol is the ""Ă" A breve to represent the "æ" sound. Also, I added the "Ŭ" U breve to represent the "ʌ" sound like the "U" in the words "Cup" and "luck" and also the "F-word"
You have /æ/ and /ʌ/ now? Cool, that will increase the number of possible syllables greatly.
It has 1538 words and counting.
1,538? Rock on!

I don't normally show interest in personal conlangs -- if it's an artlang I like it to have a fictional or micronational speaker community attached -- but I'll definitely keep following this one because I always love to see what conlangers are doing with the Landau Core Vocabulary!
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Khemehekis wrote: 07 Aug 2021 03:36
Larryrl wrote: 06 Aug 2021 01:49 Also, I added another "A" the A breve to the language, the symbol is the ""Ă" A breve to represent the "æ" sound. Also, I added the "Ŭ" U breve to represent the "ʌ" sound like the "U" in the words "Cup" and "luck" and also the "F-word"
You have /æ/ and /ʌ/ now? Cool, that will increase the number of possible syllables greatly.
It has 1538 words and counting.
1,538? Rock on!

I don't normally show interest in personal conlangs -- if it's an artlang I like it to have a fictional or micronational speaker community attached -- but I'll definitely keep following this one because I always love to see what conlangers are doing with the Landau Core Vocabulary!
Thanks I enjoy the feedback, good or bad. This is not really so much a personal conlang, as it is a possible auxlang, and maybe I might use it in a fictional story I write, or write a complete bilingual fictional short story in it. Show both the Shu, and the English translation. Have the Shu paragraph followed by the English translation, or possibly have the odd numbered pages be Shu, and the even would be English. [:D] As far as your "artlang" goes I really do not know what an artlang is I will have to look it up on the internet after a little bit.

Here is a poem I translated from the public domain
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CLOUDS
ANONYMOUS


White sheep, white sheep,
On a blue hill,
When the wind stops,
You all stand still.
When the wind blows,
You walk away slow.
White sheep, white sheep,
Where do you go?

NUVERTS
SEMA


Valut skove valut skove
en ŷn flush awona
Zhu ŷm vent baheta
Na ŷl bazhe ăsh
Zhu ŷm vent bahu
Na but plor rŷp
Valut skove valut skove
Zho Na dalu
DESH ABONUK KE NI NA
(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
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Larryrl wrote: 07 Aug 2021 07:42 CLOUDS
ANONYMOUS


White sheep, white sheep,
On a blue hill,
When the wind stops,
You all stand still.
When the wind blows,
You walk away slow.
White sheep, white sheep,
Where do you go?

NUVERTS
SEMA


Valut skove valut skove
en ŷn flush awona
Zhu ŷm vent baheta
Na ŷl bazhe ăsh
Zhu ŷm vent bahu
Na but plor rŷp
Valut skove valut skove
Zho Na dalu
Nice poem! It has a Lojban aesthetic, and that was a good choice of poem, too.

I'm up with yoir conlang being an auxlang instead of a personal language. [+1] Auxlangs tend to get way more learners/speakers than personal conlangs, anyway.
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Khemehekis wrote: 07 Aug 2021 09:06
Larryrl wrote: 07 Aug 2021 07:42 CLOUDS
ANONYMOUS


White sheep, white sheep,
On a blue hill,
When the wind stops,
You all stand still.
When the wind blows,
You walk away slow.
White sheep, white sheep,
Where do you go?

NUVERTS
SEMA


Valut skove valut skove
en ŷn flush awona
Zhu ŷm vent baheta
Na ŷl bazhe ăsh
Zhu ŷm vent bahu
Na but plor rŷp
Valut skove valut skove
Zho Na dalu
Nice poem! It has a Lojban aesthetic, and that was a good choice of poem, too.

I'm up with yoir conlang being an auxlang instead of a personal language. [+1] Auxlangs tend to get way more learners/speakers than personal conlangs, anyway.
To show you how scatter brained I am, I used everthing I thought I could from the "LCV", then I got a list from the internet of the 500 most commonly used English words. You'd be surprised how many of those I did not have yet. So then I went back through the "LCV" and found in there quite a bit of things I had overlooked. My biggest worry is that music in Shu is going to suck. [:D] Poems are ok, they do not necessarily have to rhyme. However with lyrics to songs, if it is translated into Shu right, it won't rhyme, but it is written to rhyme, it won't make sense in anyone's natlang.
DESH ABONUK KE NI NA
(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Larryrl wrote: 07 Aug 2021 19:23 To show you how scatter brained I am, I used everthing I thought I could from the "LCV", then I got a list from the internet of the 500 most commonly used English words. You'd be surprised how many of those I did not have yet. So then I went back through the "LCV" and found in there quite a bit of things I had overlooked.
Just so I have an idea of how much of the LCV you used: How large is your lexicon now?
My biggest worry is that music in Shu is going to suck. [:D] Poems are ok, they do not necessarily have to rhyme. However with lyrics to songs, if it is translated into Shu right, it won't rhyme, but it is written to rhyme, it won't make sense in anyone's natlang.
I don't see why they wouldn't make sense; I can write meaningful rhyming songs in Kankonian.
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Khemehekis wrote: 08 Aug 2021 00:12
Larryrl wrote: 07 Aug 2021 19:23 To show you how scatter brained I am, I used everthing I thought I could from the "LCV", then I got a list from the internet of the 500 most commonly used English words. You'd be surprised how many of those I did not have yet. So then I went back through the "LCV" and found in there quite a bit of things I had overlooked.
Just so I have an idea of how much of the LCV you used: How large is your lexicon now?
My biggest worry is that music in Shu is going to suck. [:D] Poems are ok, they do not necessarily have to rhyme. However with lyrics to songs, if it is translated into Shu right, it won't rhyme, but it is written to rhyme, it won't make sense in anyone's natlang.
I don't see why they wouldn't make sense; I can write meaningful rhyming songs in Kankonian.
What if say two words that rhyme might be words that normally do not go together in the natlang. Example let's say suppose the word for television rhymed with the word for war or something utterly as stupid. The two words even though they rhymed (they don't, but if they did) do not even remotely go together. What's the song going to be about attacking the poor television? [:D]

Also, I added another letter to the alphabet it is Ŧ (T with stroke) which will make the sound t͡s like in the word bits or the tz like in ritz crackers.
DESH ABONUK KE NI NA
(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU

NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Sample sentences in Shu
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LA HAT PAN KI MUD
I WILL BE LATE TONIGHT ( THIS NIGHT )

LA BŶT ŶN MAT
I HAVE A LETTER


LA JUT BUT PET
I WILL WALK HOME


LA TIP BUT PET
I COULD WALK HOME


LA NIP BUT PET MUSH…
I WOULD WALK HOME BUT…


LO UNT …
MY AUNT …


LO UNK …
MY UNCLE …


LO UNT BŶT ŶN MAT
MY AUNT HAS A LETTER


LO UNK BŶT ŶN MAK
MY UNCLE HAS A LETTER


ZHI DESH KI TA
WHAT IS TODAY


ZHI DESH ŶM TA
WHAT IS THE DAY


ZHŶ DESH ŶM NOS
HOW IS THE WEATHER


PY NA DOT LO
CAN YOU HELP ME


PY NA DAK LA ZHŶ KE DASET LO PASH
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO FIND MY HOTEL


PY NA DAK LA ZHŶ KE DASET ŶM MED
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO FIND THE HOSPITAL


ŶM NUZH HET NA
THE MAN WILL OFFER YOU


NU DEK SHAGET
IT DOES NOT MATTER


ZHŶ TUG
HOW LONG


GRUT ELEDO AKT NA
FINE THANKS AND YOU


ZHŶ DESH AKT NA
HOW ARE YOU


ZHŶ DESH NO SKOT
HOW IS YOUR FAMILY


TU GRUT
VERY GOOD, VERY FINE, VERY WELL


NU TU GRUT
NOT VERY GOOD, NOT VERY FINE, NOT VERY WELL


NYA GRUT SO SO,
SUFFICIENTLY WELL


DAS LA KE MONT
ALLOW ME TO PRESENT


DAS LA KE DANT STU
ALLOW ME TO PRESENT MR.


DAS LA KE DANT STE
ALLOW ME TO PRESENT MRS.


DAS LA KE DANT STEN
ALLOW ME TO PRESENT MISS.


YON DESH LA GELT
THIS IS MY WIFE


YON DESH LA NELT
THIS MY HUSBAND


YON DESH LA AMI
THIS IS MY FRIEND


DAS LA KE MONT NŶ
ALLOW ME TO PRESENT MY CHILD / KID


DESH ABONUK KE NI NA
(IT) IS A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU


LA DESH KE MOT NA
I AM GLAD TO MEET YOU


PŶ NA JAS LA KE BŶT NO ZHAP AKT TAUN
WHETHER YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO HAVE YOUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER


UZH BŶT NO ZHAP AKT TAUN
CAN I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER


PŶ NA JAS LA KE SHIA NO OMOT
WHETHER YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO VISIT YOU AGAIN


UZH SHIA NO OMOT
CAN I VISIT YOU AGAIN


DOJ SHIA OMOT
COME SEE ME AGAIN, COME VISIT ME AGAIN


NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY PLEASE TO SIT)


ZHO DESH WA DALU
WHERE ARE WE GOING


LA HELEM ŶN FUSH
I WILL CALL A POLICEMAN


ZHI DESH NO IKA
WHAT IS YOUR AGE


TANO OBARUK
OF AGE (OF LEGAL AGE)


LA NU NI
I NOT KNOW


LA DEK NU NI
I DO NOT KNOW


LA BŶT NU YE
I HAVE NO IDEA


LA NI
I KNOW


SO LA DANO, TUG ŶJA SO DALU NU USP
HIM I WATCH, LONG TIME HIM GO NOWHERE


DESH BARUN
IT IS RAINING LITERALLY "IS RAINNG"


ŶM SANT WOYA
THE HOLY BIBLE


ŶM SANT PADA
THE HOLY SCRIPTURE


GA DESK MIT ŶN RALU ZHE LA NU TOVO
SHE IS WITH A GROUP OF BOYS WHOM I DO NOT TRUST
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NUK KE DESHT
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Larryrl wrote: 08 Aug 2021 17:02 What if say two words that rhyme might be words that normally do not go together in the natlang. Example let's say suppose the word for television rhymed with the word for war or something utterly as stupid. The two words even though they rhymed (they don't, but if they did) do not even remotely go together. What's the song going to be about attacking the poor television? [:D]
I could write a couplet like:

The invention of the television
Allowed kids to watch the Korea War
At home

Or how about a real song that uses both "war" and "television"?
John Mayer wrote:Now if we had the power
To bring our neighbors home from war
They woulda never missed a Christmas
No more ribbons on their door
And when you trust your television
What you get is what you got
'Cause when they own the information, oh
They can bend it all they want
Also, I added another letter to the alphabet it is Ŧ (T with stroke) which will make the sound t͡s like in the word bits or the tz like in ritz crackers.
Cool.
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Shu 2070 words and counting. 297 verbs and 1773 word of all other parts of speech. [:D]
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I am contemplating whether to modify Shu. I have, as stated in previous posts, two consonants for each of my three verb tenses. I have past, present, and future. But, I could cut out a bunch of words, which could be reused, and learning time by just using "HESH" which means "WILL" with the present tense form of the verb. If the reader sees the "HESH", he or she would know that that means the verb is in the past tense. Therefore instead of saying like

LA HAT PAN KI MUD I WILL BE LATE TONIGHT ( THIS NIGHT )

you can say:

LA HESH PAN KI MUD I WILL BE LATE TONIGHT ( THIS NIGHT )

This will totally remove the words "HAT WILL BE", and "HŶT WILL HAVE", as well as most of the future tense verbs, which can then be re-purposed. Instead of the word for will have, followed by the word for been "HŶT KAT" you would just use "HESH BŶT KAT" for will have been. It would certainly reduce the number of language words I have so far, but would make for a better language, I feel. All opinions welcome.
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NUK KE DESHT
PLEASE SIT DOWN (LITERALLY, PLEASE TO SIT)

DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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What are all the verb forms you currently have?

See the ===Verb Forms=== section in the LCV for a list of what you could cover.
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Khemehekis wrote: 12 Aug 2021 18:24 What are all the verb forms you currently have?

See the ===Verb Forms=== section in the LCV for a list of what you could cover.
Currently, I have past present and future tenses. The present tense covers like I walk, or I am walking, so there is the gerund form. Also, the present tense covers the still tense as well. I do however have words for could and should and such that would make the conditional mood. I might be able to do it the way I want, and use the H, and J for maybe more verb forms, or moods or something.
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NUK KE DESHT
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DESH ŶN MODA KE ŶM AMSPA
THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS
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Larryrl wrote: 12 Aug 2021 18:33
Khemehekis wrote: 12 Aug 2021 18:24 What are all the verb forms you currently have?

See the ===Verb Forms=== section in the LCV for a list of what you could cover.
Currently, I have past present and future tenses. The present tense covers like I walk, or I am walking, so there is the gerund form. Also, the present tense covers the still tense as well. I do however have words for could and should and such that would make the conditional mood. I might be able to do it the way I want, and use the H, and J for maybe more verb forms, or moods or something.
Hmmmm . . . here are all the verb forms:

===Verb Forms===
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-ing (gerund)
to (infinitive)
to (how ~)
to (ready ~ go)
to (too conceited ~ apologize)
to (too hot ~ eat)
to (too cold ~ swim)
to (it’s difficult ~ say good-bye)
(aorist marker)
did, -ed (hesternal past tense)
did, -ed (hodiernal past tense)
did, -ed (matutinal past tense)
did, -ed (immediate past tense)
did, -ed (recent past tense)
did, -ed (remote past tense)
did, -ed (general past tense)
did, -ed (for telling stories)
do, does (present tense)
do, does (still tense)
will, shall (near future tense)
will, shall (hodiernal future tense)
will, shall (vespertine future tense)
will, shall (post-hodiernal future tense)
will, shall (crastinal future tense)
will, shall (remote future tense)
will, shall (is planning to: I ~ try)
would (was planning to, would later)
was going to, would
will have yet to (future in future)
will have (future perfect)
will (assuming nothing changes; stagnative)
would (past iterative tense)
will (expressing possibility: the homeless shelter ~ hold 200 people)
have, has (past participle)
have, has (just)
have, has (still continuing today)
have, has (experience: Tony has never been to the Philippines)
used to
had (pluperfect – completed event)
had (pluperfect – previous experience)
was _ing (imperfect)
had been (pluperfect progressive)
is _ing (present progressive)
will be _ing (future progressive)
(habitual aspect)
(punctual aspect)
(durative aspect)
(protractive aspect)
(frequentative aspect)
(experiential aspect)
(accidental aspect)
(intensive aspect)
(moderative aspect)
(attenuative aspect)
be going to (intention: I’m going to ask him)
be about to, be going to (prospective: I’m going to throw up)
(generic aspect/mood)
(marker for suggested actions)
would (if . . .)
would have (conditional perfect)
would (I ~ quit smoking if I were you)
would have (I ~ walked away if I were you)
had (if I ~ known)
shall, should (deliberative mood)
should, ought to
should (you ~ go if you’re invited)
should have
should (logically)
should have (logically)
should, to happen to
is supposed to (should)
is supposed to (is considered to)
had better (I ~ go)
had better (you ~ get rid of that porn!)
to be able to, can
to be able to, can (using the senses: can hear, can see, etc.)
can (expressing likelihood: anyone ~ make a mistake)
to be able to, can (~ I help you?)
to be able to, can (have the power to)
could (might)
could have
could (speculative)
could have (speculative)
to know how to
may (has permission to)
might, may
might have, may have
might (it ~ be a good idea)
may (conceding a point)
may have (conceding a point)
to have to, must (obligation)
to have to, must (requirement or condition: you ~ be a citizen 18 or older to vote)
must have (requirement or condition)
to need to (you’ll ~ buy this)
to have to, must (deductive)
must have (deductive)
to have to, must (assumptive)
must have (assumptive)
to be sure to (it is sure to be successful)
will (is destined to)
will, is willing to
won’t (is not willing to)
will (of inanimate object: that door ~ open)
won’t (of inanimate object: this door ~ open)
would rather
will/would? (precative mood)
to be in the habit of, to be used to (doing something)
(subjunctive/counterfactual)
(presumptive mood)
(commissive mood)
(desiderative mood)
(dubitative mood)
(admirative mood)
(energetic mood)
(optative mood)
(imprecative mood)
(jussive mood)
(alethic mood)
ka? (question marker)
isn’t it? (sentence tag)
right?
-kke (trying to recall information)
! (imperative marker)
don’t (prohibitive)
(adhortative)
(exhortative)
(suprahortative)
(dehortative)
(inhortative)
(infrahortative)
let’s (cohortative)
May . . .!
be, get (passive voice)
be, get (adversative passive: got shot)
be (involuntary passive)
to get, to have (be affected: ~ my laptop stolen)
to get, to have (cause to be done for one: ~ my house painted)
to have (state: Tom has his eyes closed)
to get (with adjective complement: Sharon got her hair wet)
(middle voice)
(antipassive voice)
(adjutative voice)
(applicative voice)
(circumstantial voice)
(directive)
(indirective)
(firsthand witness)
(secondhand)
(thirdhand)
(sensory visual)
(sensory auditory)
(sensory tactile)
(sensory olfactory)
(sensory gustatory)
(inferential)
I heard (hearsay)
(quotative)
(assumed)
they say (conventional wisdom)
(telic)
(atelic)
(polite)
(plain)
do (as much as I ~)
to (I don’t want ~)
there is/there are (animate)
there is/there are (inanimate)
here is/here are
Do ypou have the imperative? Is going to? Was going to? Would, as in "would later"? Would, as in "would habitually" (Jack would go to the convenience store every Friday)? The imperfect (was trying, was walking, was going, was smiling, was shattering, was eating)? The pluperfect (had tried, had walked, had gone, had smiled, had shattered, had eaten)? A yes/no question marker? A way of forming voices other than active (like if instead of "The cop arrested Mike" you want to say "Mike was arrested by the cop")? A way of saying "let's"? I got my house painted, Sharon got her hair wet, Tom has his eyes closed? Can you say "may" as in "May you live for 100 years!"? Do you want to have evidentials in Shu?
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Re: What I have been working on

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Khemehekis wrote: 12 Aug 2021 19:36
Larryrl wrote: 12 Aug 2021 18:33
Khemehekis wrote: 12 Aug 2021 18:24 What are all the verb forms you currently have?

See the ===Verb Forms=== section in the LCV for a list of what you could cover.
Currently, I have past present and future tenses. The present tense covers like I walk, or I am walking, so there is the gerund form. Also, the present tense covers the still tense as well. I do however have words for could and should and such that would make the conditional mood. I might be able to do it the way I want, and use the H, and J for maybe more verb forms, or moods or something.
Do ypou have the imperative? Is going to? Was going to? Would, as in "would later"? Would, as in "would habitually" (Jack would go to the convenience store every Friday)? The imperfect (was trying, was walking, was going, was smiling, was shattering, was eating)? The pluperfect (had tried, had walked, had gone, had smiled, had shattered, had eaten)? A yes/no question marker? A way of forming voices other than active (like if instead of "The cop arrested Mike" you want to say "Mike was arrested by the cop")? A way of saying "let's"? I got my house painted, Sharon got her hair wet, Tom has his eyes closed? Can you say "may" as in "May you live for 100 years!"? Do you want to have evidentials in Shu?
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I have the words would and may might could, I think I have should as well as could. It's not so much about the verb forms, as it is whether or not to place the word "WILL" before the present tense to make the future tense. I either remove the word "WILL" and keep all 200+ future tense verb words, or remove the 200+ future tense verb words in favor of using "WILL" in front of the present tense form. The same is true for "COULD". I either keep it to make the conditional mood by using only 1 word, or I get rid of it, and make either the "J" or the "H" words I already have to be conditional. If I do keep the words I already have, it just means more words in the language. However, at what cost to the learner. I want SHU to be easy to learn. I am autistic and it has to be something I and others can learn easy. [:D]

Most of what you are talking about I have single words in place to cover already, without needing the "H" or "J" verbs I had already created to be future tense. If I put "WILL" in front of the present tense verb, I do not need a special future tense verb because "WILL" automatically makes it future tense. The same with Would and Could. Those three words alone, would eliminate the need for hundreds of extra words with a special beginning letter.
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