Ptila
Ptila
Ptila is an a-priori lang.
It draws its inspiration from Swahili (some phonotactics and maybe a noun class system), Hausa (some syntax containing an auxiliary), Georgian (harmonic clusters), and Welsh (initial consonant mutations and some syntax containing an auxiliary).
I start with morpho-syntax instead of phonology, this time.
Some Word-Classes:
1. Auxiliary (no lexical meaning)
- evidentiality/egophoricity
- topic agreement
- some focus markers
- appear in finite clauses/sentences
2. Action nominals
- some inverse/irative/ventive marking
- bear the lexical meaning of "verbs"
3. Nouns
- not much morphology
- maybe some noun class marking
- some "adjectives" are coded as derivational grammatical morphemes in nouns
- maybe a genitive case
Some abstract syntax
Basic Topic-Comment Cause:
([topic]) ([auxiliary] [action nominal and the other nouns in a "free" order]comment)
Argument-focus clause:
[focus] ([auxiliary-focus marker] other nouns)
Morphology
Ptila morphology is quite agglutinative
1. Auxiliary
Auxiliary is basically a cluster of grammatical morphemes, most of which are compulsory.
person-egophoricity/evidentiality-focus
d- 'SG1'
pt- 'SG2'
l- 'SG3 (at least some noun class)'
mng- 'PL1INCL'
s- 'PL1EXCL'
pel- 'PL2'
k- 'PL3'
There are four epistemic morphemes:
1. Egophoric -e
2. Sensory -u
3. Fact -a
4. Reportative -o
The basic focus marker is -no. There can be other more specified focus markers.
The auxiliary does not undergo initial consonant mutations.
2. Action nominal
Venitive is formed by changing the last vowel of AN. It marks that i) a movement is directed towards the speaker and can often be translated 'here', ii) autobenefactive, i.e. that the actor is acting for their own benefit, or iii) inversion, i.e. that the topic is a patient instead of an agent.
With Venitive, the example (2) would be interpreted as an autobenefactive:
(5) Past Perfective
G-e a teptu tuga.
SG1-EGO after writing.VEN book
'I wrote a book for myself.'
Normal => ventive
e => i
o => u
a => i (in palatal environment), a => u (in velar/labial environment)
Action Nominal nearly always appears after a preposition that cedes aspect. Those prepositions also trigger initial consonant mutations in the AN.
(1) Progressive
G-e yu septa tuga.
SG1-EGO under/during writing book
'I am writing a book.'
(2) Past Perfective
G-e a tepta tuga.
SG1-EGO after writing book
'I wrote a book.'
(3) Future Perfective
G-e we nepta tuga.
FG1-EGO before writing book
'I will write a book.'
(4) Habitual
G-e i septa tuga.
SG1 in writing book
'I usually write a book.'
3.Nouns
Nouns may have a Swahili-style noun class system. I'm still not sure how it is if it will be there.
There are anyways eight adjectival derivational infixes that appear before the last vowel of the noun.
Small/a little -ix-
Big/much -ap-
Old/same -umh-
Young/new/another -ok-
Light -in-
Dark -upk-
Good -el-
Bad -ot-
male -ul-
female -ew-
tugapa 'big book'
tugixa 'small book'
tugumha 'old book'
tugoka 'new book'
tugina 'white book'
tugupka 'black book'
pugela 'good book'
tugota 'bad book'
It draws its inspiration from Swahili (some phonotactics and maybe a noun class system), Hausa (some syntax containing an auxiliary), Georgian (harmonic clusters), and Welsh (initial consonant mutations and some syntax containing an auxiliary).
I start with morpho-syntax instead of phonology, this time.
Some Word-Classes:
1. Auxiliary (no lexical meaning)
- evidentiality/egophoricity
- topic agreement
- some focus markers
- appear in finite clauses/sentences
2. Action nominals
- some inverse/irative/ventive marking
- bear the lexical meaning of "verbs"
3. Nouns
- not much morphology
- maybe some noun class marking
- some "adjectives" are coded as derivational grammatical morphemes in nouns
- maybe a genitive case
Some abstract syntax
Basic Topic-Comment Cause:
([topic]) ([auxiliary] [action nominal and the other nouns in a "free" order]comment)
Argument-focus clause:
[focus] ([auxiliary-focus marker] other nouns)
Morphology
Ptila morphology is quite agglutinative
1. Auxiliary
Auxiliary is basically a cluster of grammatical morphemes, most of which are compulsory.
person-egophoricity/evidentiality-focus
d- 'SG1'
pt- 'SG2'
l- 'SG3 (at least some noun class)'
mng- 'PL1INCL'
s- 'PL1EXCL'
pel- 'PL2'
k- 'PL3'
There are four epistemic morphemes:
1. Egophoric -e
2. Sensory -u
3. Fact -a
4. Reportative -o
The basic focus marker is -no. There can be other more specified focus markers.
The auxiliary does not undergo initial consonant mutations.
2. Action nominal
Venitive is formed by changing the last vowel of AN. It marks that i) a movement is directed towards the speaker and can often be translated 'here', ii) autobenefactive, i.e. that the actor is acting for their own benefit, or iii) inversion, i.e. that the topic is a patient instead of an agent.
With Venitive, the example (2) would be interpreted as an autobenefactive:
(5) Past Perfective
G-e a teptu tuga.
SG1-EGO after writing.VEN book
'I wrote a book for myself.'
Normal => ventive
e => i
o => u
a => i (in palatal environment), a => u (in velar/labial environment)
Action Nominal nearly always appears after a preposition that cedes aspect. Those prepositions also trigger initial consonant mutations in the AN.
(1) Progressive
G-e yu septa tuga.
SG1-EGO under/during writing book
'I am writing a book.'
(2) Past Perfective
G-e a tepta tuga.
SG1-EGO after writing book
'I wrote a book.'
(3) Future Perfective
G-e we nepta tuga.
FG1-EGO before writing book
'I will write a book.'
(4) Habitual
G-e i septa tuga.
SG1 in writing book
'I usually write a book.'
3.Nouns
Nouns may have a Swahili-style noun class system. I'm still not sure how it is if it will be there.
There are anyways eight adjectival derivational infixes that appear before the last vowel of the noun.
Small/a little -ix-
Big/much -ap-
Old/same -umh-
Young/new/another -ok-
Light -in-
Dark -upk-
Good -el-
Bad -ot-
male -ul-
female -ew-
tugapa 'big book'
tugixa 'small book'
tugumha 'old book'
tugoka 'new book'
tugina 'white book'
tugupka 'black book'
pugela 'good book'
tugota 'bad book'
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Re: Ptila
Phonology
Vowel inventory:
i u <i u>
e o <e o >
ä <a>
Consonant inventory:
pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ <p t c k>
b d ɟ g <b d j g>
m̥ʰ n̥ʰ ɲ̥ʰ ŋ̥ʰ <mh nh njh ngh>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n nj ng>
s ɕ h <s x h>
l j w <l y w>
Phonotactics
Only open syllables are allowed.
(C)(C)(y/w)V
Allowed consonant clusters are:
"Harmonic clusters" where both components are of same MOA, specified above. The first of them is never exploded. A palatal and a velar consonant cannot appear in the same "harmonic cluster".
Aspirated plosive + aspirated plosive
Voiced plosive + voiced plosive
nasal + nasal
In some mutations also the "nonharmonic" clusters apear.
sibilant + plosive (in some mutations)
Stress
Stress always lies on the penultimate syllable.
Two vowels in line can be pronounced as one syllable but when it comes to stressing, it's easier to think them different syllables.
Sress realizes mainly as length and strength. Ptila is not a pitch accent language.
Mutations
Initial mutations of aspirated plosives
Basic initial - lenited - nasalized
pʰ - h - m̥ʰ
tʰ - s - n̥ʰ
cʰ - ɕ - ɲ̥ʰ
kʰ - h - ŋ̥ʰ
ptʰ - tʰ - m̥n̥ʰ
pcʰ - cʰ -m̥ɲ̥ʰ
pkʰ - kʰ - m̥ŋ̥ʰ
tpʰ - spʰ -n̥m̥ʰ
tcʰ - ɕcʰ -n̥ɲ̥ʰ
tkʰ - skʰ -n̥ŋ̥ʰ
cpʰ - ɕpʰ ɲ̥m̥ʰ
ctʰ - stʰ - ɲ̥n̥ʰ
kpʰ - pʰ - ŋ̥m̥ʰ
ktʰ - tʰ - ŋ̥n̥ʰ
Initial mutations of voiced plosives
Basic initial - lenited - nasalized
b - w - m
d - l -n
ɟ - j - ɲ
g - w - ŋ
bd - d - mn
bɟ - ɟ - mɲ
bg - g - mŋ
db - zb -nm
dɟ - ʑɟ - nɲ
dg - zg -nŋ
ɟb - ʑb -ɲm
ɟd - zd - ɲn
gb - b -ŋm
gd - d - ŋn
In lenition of "harmonic clusters", only the first component of the cluster is lenited.
/h/ however disappears before a consonant.
The palatal /ɕ/ [ɕ] or [ʑ] assimilates before an alveolar and becomes s] [z], while the alveolar s s] [z] assimilates before a palatal and becomes [ɕ] or [ʑ].
Word-initial vowels and glides get the corresponding voiced stop and nasal before them.
y - jy - nji
w - gw - ngu
i/e/a - ji/e/a - nji/e/a
u/o - wu/o - ngu/o
In "soft mutation" l and nasals are actually fortified by prestopping. They dont have a nasal mutation. Genitive is formed with "soft mutation". Particles usually demanding the nasal mutation demand the basic form.
l - dl
m - dm
n - dn
nj - jnj
ng - gng
Vowel inventory:
i u <i u>
e o <e o >
ä <a>
Consonant inventory:
pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ <p t c k>
b d ɟ g <b d j g>
m̥ʰ n̥ʰ ɲ̥ʰ ŋ̥ʰ <mh nh njh ngh>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n nj ng>
s ɕ h <s x h>
l j w <l y w>
Phonotactics
Only open syllables are allowed.
(C)(C)(y/w)V
Allowed consonant clusters are:
"Harmonic clusters" where both components are of same MOA, specified above. The first of them is never exploded. A palatal and a velar consonant cannot appear in the same "harmonic cluster".
Aspirated plosive + aspirated plosive
Voiced plosive + voiced plosive
nasal + nasal
In some mutations also the "nonharmonic" clusters apear.
sibilant + plosive (in some mutations)
Stress
Stress always lies on the penultimate syllable.
Two vowels in line can be pronounced as one syllable but when it comes to stressing, it's easier to think them different syllables.
Sress realizes mainly as length and strength. Ptila is not a pitch accent language.
Mutations
Initial mutations of aspirated plosives
Basic initial - lenited - nasalized
pʰ - h - m̥ʰ
tʰ - s - n̥ʰ
cʰ - ɕ - ɲ̥ʰ
kʰ - h - ŋ̥ʰ
ptʰ - tʰ - m̥n̥ʰ
pcʰ - cʰ -m̥ɲ̥ʰ
pkʰ - kʰ - m̥ŋ̥ʰ
tpʰ - spʰ -n̥m̥ʰ
tcʰ - ɕcʰ -n̥ɲ̥ʰ
tkʰ - skʰ -n̥ŋ̥ʰ
cpʰ - ɕpʰ ɲ̥m̥ʰ
ctʰ - stʰ - ɲ̥n̥ʰ
kpʰ - pʰ - ŋ̥m̥ʰ
ktʰ - tʰ - ŋ̥n̥ʰ
Initial mutations of voiced plosives
Basic initial - lenited - nasalized
b - w - m
d - l -n
ɟ - j - ɲ
g - w - ŋ
bd - d - mn
bɟ - ɟ - mɲ
bg - g - mŋ
db - zb -nm
dɟ - ʑɟ - nɲ
dg - zg -nŋ
ɟb - ʑb -ɲm
ɟd - zd - ɲn
gb - b -ŋm
gd - d - ŋn
In lenition of "harmonic clusters", only the first component of the cluster is lenited.
/h/ however disappears before a consonant.
The palatal /ɕ/ [ɕ] or [ʑ] assimilates before an alveolar and becomes s] [z], while the alveolar s s] [z] assimilates before a palatal and becomes [ɕ] or [ʑ].
Word-initial vowels and glides get the corresponding voiced stop and nasal before them.
y - jy - nji
w - gw - ngu
i/e/a - ji/e/a - nji/e/a
u/o - wu/o - ngu/o
In "soft mutation" l and nasals are actually fortified by prestopping. They dont have a nasal mutation. Genitive is formed with "soft mutation". Particles usually demanding the nasal mutation demand the basic form.
l - dl
m - dm
n - dn
nj - jnj
ng - gng
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Re: Ptila
Definiteness of objects and corresponding NPs is coded by word order.
Indefinite NPs follow the AN, while definite ones precede it.
(1) Future Perfective
G-e we nepta tuga.
FG1-EGO before writing book
'I will write a book.'
(2) Future Perfective
G-e tuga we nepta.
FG1-EGO book before writing
'I will write the book.'
Indefinite NPs follow the AN, while definite ones precede it.
(1) Future Perfective
G-e we nepta tuga.
FG1-EGO before writing book
'I will write a book.'
(2) Future Perfective
G-e tuga we nepta.
FG1-EGO book before writing
'I will write the book.'
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Re: Ptila
I like several things going on here, especially the auxiliaries and the lenitions. Two questions:
1. I believe all your clusters agree in MoA rather than PoA, as you have clusters such as kt mn, but not nt pm. Is that correct? I like limiting clusters to same MoA in languages like Korean.
2. Given the way you form past and future perfectives with prepositional phrases, how do you express concepts such as “I buried the man after I killed him” and “I will finish my food before I go out”?
1. I believe all your clusters agree in MoA rather than PoA, as you have clusters such as kt mn, but not nt pm. Is that correct? I like limiting clusters to same MoA in languages like Korean.
2. Given the way you form past and future perfectives with prepositional phrases, how do you express concepts such as “I buried the man after I killed him” and “I will finish my food before I go out”?
Re: Ptila
1. My bad. Corrected.DesEsseintes wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019 04:18 I like several things going on here, especially the auxiliaries and the lenitions. Two questions:
1. I believe all your clusters agree in MoA rather than PoA, as you have clusters such as kt mn, but not nt pm. Is that correct? I like limiting clusters to same MoA in languages like Korean.
2. Given the way you form past and future perfectives with prepositional phrases, how do you express concepts such as “I buried the man after I killed him” and “I will finish my food before I go out”?
2. I think modern Welsh forms tense/aspects in a similar manner.
I haven't thought about subordinate clauses much yet. What I already know is that they don't have an auxiliary, which makes them less finite.
One option is just to use conjugations. See that English just accidentally has conjunctions "after" and "before" alike the corresponding prepositions. In Ptila they can well be different words.
Another option can be an action nominal construction (ANC). "I buried the man after my killing of him." In it, the same preposition of course appears.
Maybe Ptila will have both.
Word order and stressing can be used for differentiating the main verb form an ANC. There are many other syntactic things to be considered too.
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Re: Ptila
The system of nouns is still in progress.
What I call cases in this thread are actually not cases in the morphosyntactic sense. Case is a word-level phenomenon. So, adding, say, a specifier should not affect the case of the noun. That does not happen in Ptila (or in Celtic languages with mutations). Mutations are a phrase-level phenomenon. A preposition or particle only affects the word following it. "i" 'in' for example governs the soft mutation but of "tuga", in example (1). But if a specifier appears between them like in example (2), only the specifier has the soft mutation and "tuga" has the basic form.
(1) i suga 'in a book', soft mutation: tuga => suga
(2) i yoha tuga, soft mutation: joha => yoha
So the "cases" are thus extremely fusional clitics in Ptila. I think speaking about cases is however useful because they collect the effects of mutations in three groups.
nominative/direct case
genitive case
oblique case
Prepositions and other particles govern one of the three cases.
Genitive is used after a noun it modifies.
Oblique is used after a noun with an adjectival infix to specify the feature. See (1). In a language with ten adjectives, this kind of specification is important.
(3)
bgoxelu hosadge
bgox<el>u NM.kosadke
player<good> OBL.football
'a player good at football"
The exact realizations of the cases, i.e. which mutation codes the particular case, depends on noun class. So one cannot say that a noun modifying the preceding noun has the soft mutation, because the mutation depends on the call of the noun. But one can say that the noun has the genitive "case", which is often coded by soft mutation.
I'm though still not sure if the analyses of the mutations as cases really describes all the mutations of nouns after some prepositions and particles.
What I call cases in this thread are actually not cases in the morphosyntactic sense. Case is a word-level phenomenon. So, adding, say, a specifier should not affect the case of the noun. That does not happen in Ptila (or in Celtic languages with mutations). Mutations are a phrase-level phenomenon. A preposition or particle only affects the word following it. "i" 'in' for example governs the soft mutation but of "tuga", in example (1). But if a specifier appears between them like in example (2), only the specifier has the soft mutation and "tuga" has the basic form.
(1) i suga 'in a book', soft mutation: tuga => suga
(2) i yoha tuga, soft mutation: joha => yoha
So the "cases" are thus extremely fusional clitics in Ptila. I think speaking about cases is however useful because they collect the effects of mutations in three groups.
nominative/direct case
genitive case
oblique case
Prepositions and other particles govern one of the three cases.
Genitive is used after a noun it modifies.
Oblique is used after a noun with an adjectival infix to specify the feature. See (1). In a language with ten adjectives, this kind of specification is important.
(3)
bgoxelu hosadge
bgox<el>u NM.kosadke
player<good> OBL.football
'a player good at football"
The exact realizations of the cases, i.e. which mutation codes the particular case, depends on noun class. So one cannot say that a noun modifying the preceding noun has the soft mutation, because the mutation depends on the call of the noun. But one can say that the noun has the genitive "case", which is often coded by soft mutation.
I'm though still not sure if the analyses of the mutations as cases really describes all the mutations of nouns after some prepositions and particles.
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Re: Ptila
Noun phrases
Internal syntax of NPs, as ussuallely in languages, is strictly defined. The word order is: preposition - specifier - the noun - modifier.
All modifiers of nouns are nouns. There are two types of modifiers: genitives and obliques. Oblique modifiers (usually) coappear with an adjectival infix in the noun. Usually, the oblique modifier is an abstract noun of a quality, like "ctale" in (2).
(1)
bgoxelu hosadge
bgox<el>u NM.kosadge
player<good> OBL.football
'a player good at football"
(2)
bdoxapu stale
bgox<ap>u NM.ctale
player<big> OBL.hight
'a player big in lenght/ a tall player'
Genitive modifiers are more "normal" modifiers.
(3)
kusaga ngholoxa
kusaga NM-koloxa
boat GEN-fisherman
'fisherman's boat'
Internal syntax of NPs, as ussuallely in languages, is strictly defined. The word order is: preposition - specifier - the noun - modifier.
All modifiers of nouns are nouns. There are two types of modifiers: genitives and obliques. Oblique modifiers (usually) coappear with an adjectival infix in the noun. Usually, the oblique modifier is an abstract noun of a quality, like "ctale" in (2).
(1)
bgoxelu hosadge
bgox<el>u NM.kosadge
player<good> OBL.football
'a player good at football"
(2)
bdoxapu stale
bgox<ap>u NM.ctale
player<big> OBL.hight
'a player big in lenght/ a tall player'
Genitive modifiers are more "normal" modifiers.
(3)
kusaga ngholoxa
kusaga NM-koloxa
boat GEN-fisherman
'fisherman's boat'
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Re: Ptila
Number of nouns
There are two numbers: singular and plural. It is possible that 1) singular is unmarked and plural is marked, 2) singular is marked and plural is unmarked, 3) both singular and plural are marked and the unmarked stem has some abstract or collective meaning.
The singular marked, when it appears, is infix -y- before the last vowel.
The plural marked, when it appears, is infix -w- before the last vowel.
If there is already a glide before the first vowel in the stem, the singular and plural markers are -ey- and -ow- respectively.
Some nouns, however, add the -i and -u to a consonant stem.
(1) unmarked singular and marked plural
(1a) tuga 'a book'
(2a) tugwa 'books'
There are two numbers: singular and plural. It is possible that 1) singular is unmarked and plural is marked, 2) singular is marked and plural is unmarked, 3) both singular and plural are marked and the unmarked stem has some abstract or collective meaning.
The singular marked, when it appears, is infix -y- before the last vowel.
The plural marked, when it appears, is infix -w- before the last vowel.
If there is already a glide before the first vowel in the stem, the singular and plural markers are -ey- and -ow- respectively.
Some nouns, however, add the -i and -u to a consonant stem.
(1) unmarked singular and marked plural
(1a) tuga 'a book'
(2a) tugwa 'books'
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Re: Ptila
I think noun classes will be dropped off at least from this first version of the lang. I just cannot find up how to make them appropriately.
This also makes the system of cases much easier because now every noun forms its genitive with the nasal mutation and oblique with soft mutation.
There are still conjunctions etc. that demand a mutation, so the concepts of mutations and cases don't merge.
This also makes the system of cases much easier because now every noun forms its genitive with the nasal mutation and oblique with soft mutation.
There are still conjunctions etc. that demand a mutation, so the concepts of mutations and cases don't merge.
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Re: Ptila
Copula clauses
Copula clauses are very simple. No AN is needed. The subject can be dropped.
[auxiliary] [subject] [predicative]
(1) Ge kasula
g-e kasula.
SG1-EGO boy
'I am a boy.'
(2) La Makuno bela.
l-a makuno bela
SG3-FACT M town
'Makuno is a town.'
Copula clauses are always stative, so aspects do not need to be formed.
There is verb "diyo" 'become'.
(3) Ge a swale.
g-e a swale
SG1-EGO PAST.PERFVE happyone
'I became happy.'
Copula clauses are very simple. No AN is needed. The subject can be dropped.
[auxiliary] [subject] [predicative]
(1) Ge kasula
g-e kasula.
SG1-EGO boy
'I am a boy.'
(2) La Makuno bela.
l-a makuno bela
SG3-FACT M town
'Makuno is a town.'
Copula clauses are always stative, so aspects do not need to be formed.
There is verb "diyo" 'become'.
(3) Ge a swale.
g-e a swale
SG1-EGO PAST.PERFVE happyone
'I became happy.'
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Re: Ptila
I'll maybe change the habitual to be an actor noun. The case of the object also changesto the oblique. (4) would be changed to (5)
(5) Ge teptya suga.
g-e tept<y>a LENITION.tuga
SG1 writing<ACTOR.SG> OBL.book
'I (usually) write a book.'
The clause can also be interpreted as 'I'm a writer of a book.', which is also the apparent historical origin of the construction.
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Re: Ptila
Auxiliary
In the first post, the auxiliary only has the subject agreement markers, epistemic markers, and one focus marker.
I think I'll add (direct and indirect) object agreement and markers of question and negation.
[subject agreement][3rd person direct object agreement][epistemic][other object agreements][focus]
Question and negation markers could be part of some other paradigm. I don't know which.
Subject markers from the first post:
The other object markers, which refer to indirect objects if 3rd person and to direct or indirect objects if some other person, are:
ne- 'SG1'
mne- 'SG2'
le- 'SG3 (at least some noun class)'
mnge- 'PL1INCL'
se- 'PL1EXCL'
mele- 'PL2'
nge- 'PL3'
d-y-u-nge
SG1-PL3-SENSORY-them
'I V it to them.'
In the first post, the auxiliary only has the subject agreement markers, epistemic markers, and one focus marker.
I think I'll add (direct and indirect) object agreement and markers of question and negation.
[subject agreement][3rd person direct object agreement][epistemic][other object agreements][focus]
Question and negation markers could be part of some other paradigm. I don't know which.
Subject markers from the first post:
Third person object markers are the well known -y- and -w- for singular and plural objects respectively.d- 'SG1'
pt- 'SG2'
l- 'SG3 (at least some noun class)'
mng- 'PL1INCL'
s- 'PL1EXCL'
pel- 'PL2'
k- 'PL3'
The other object markers, which refer to indirect objects if 3rd person and to direct or indirect objects if some other person, are:
ne- 'SG1'
mne- 'SG2'
le- 'SG3 (at least some noun class)'
mnge- 'PL1INCL'
se- 'PL1EXCL'
mele- 'PL2'
nge- 'PL3'
d-y-u-nge
SG1-PL3-SENSORY-them
'I V it to them.'
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Re: Ptila
Cases are usually quite a boring concept.Omzinesý wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019 18:32 The system of nouns is still in progress.
What I call cases in this thread are actually not cases in the morphosyntactic sense. Case is a word-level phenomenon. So, adding, say, a specifier should not affect the case of the noun. That does not happen in Ptila (or in Celtic languages with mutations). Mutations are a phrase-level phenomenon. A preposition or particle only affects the word following it. "i" 'in' for example governs the soft mutation but of "tuga", in example (1). But if a specifier appears between them like in example (2), only the specifier has the soft mutation and "tuga" has the basic form.
(1) i suga 'in a book', soft mutation: tuga => suga
(2) i yoha tuga, soft mutation: joha => yoha
So the "cases" are thus extremely fusional clitics in Ptila. I think speaking about cases is however useful because they collect the effects of mutations in three groups.
nominative/direct case
genitive case
oblique case
Prepositions and other particles govern one of the three cases.
Genitive is used after a noun it modifies.
Oblique is used after a noun with an adjectival infix to specify the feature. See (1). In a language with ten adjectives, this kind of specification is important.
(3)
bgoxelu hosadge
bgox<el>u NM.kosadke
player<good> OBL.football
'a player good at football"
The exact realizations of the cases, i.e. which mutation codes the particular case, depends on noun class. So one cannot say that a noun modifying the preceding noun has the soft mutation, because the mutation depends on the call of the noun. But one can say that the noun has the genitive "case", which is often coded by soft mutation.
I'm though still not sure if the analyses of the mutations as cases really describes all the mutations of nouns after some prepositions and particles.
I think I'll get rid of Genitive and replace it with head-marking, like in Hungarian (4) (I think it's something like that). Though I think the possessive pronoun will precede the noun like in Celtic.
(4)
László hás-ja
L house-his
'László's house'
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Re: Ptila
I tried generating the words listed in The Snow Ball Game. Probably many of them will change, because derivation cannot be taken into account in a word generator. Lexical entries of Ptila don't of course correspond to those of English either. Ptila for example doesn't have the category of adjective but utilizes abstract nouns instead.
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Adjectives:
bad jectiko
big, large mixye
clean twenyeca
cold gditwa
cool dbegu
deep ctubunja
different jwektyabwa
dirty dbimwepi
dry njyacinga
dull juswe
empty lamyo
fast munjepi
first tabdanya
flat make
full jbunyesa
good cyebu
hard ngyoto
heavy ngumyo
high xoxwabye
hot ngasangwo
huge twapkemwe
last dwotcunjye
lightweight xacu
long xwonjyeji
low xuga
narrow xacingyo
new kpyangelwo
old xyoktajwe
right, correct joleme
rough bogdwacyo
round djyaptuse
same bonwo
shallow mala
sharp bgamoxe
short gwebonjye
slow njubale
smooth pcubo
soft dingwo
straight napenjo
thick njajdunge
thin gexwa
tiny nucweti
warm lyobwatwa
wet njyete
wide jyedixe
wrong pimyejya
Color words:
black pwapu
blue kotwopyo
brown caswe
green pukwa
grey ptyele
orange cagwe
pink ngati
purple gimu
red kwacedyo
white ngenjulo
yellow lwepwa
dark tubuta
light ganye
striped cupi
Sides:
back bgujola
bottom pwonge
corner dguxo
front bedgosi
left ktupu
middle pyagyolye
right gdonjwa
top daxenje
Linking verbs:
to be menu
to become, to get, to turn pkyene
to feel tkyotwa
it feels pcoxu
to look kyodo
to seem, to appear to be dbwodye
to smell musejya
to sound dbengetye
to stay, to remain, to keep lucunjye
to taste pkijyexa
Vaic verbs (some languages make these aspects):
to begin, to start bjemyo
to continue dgatya
to finish, to complete nwengebe
to stop, to end xacpexa
Events:
accident cusye
birthday xejyengu
breakfast dgalye
date jdyenjexye
dinner, supper gocu
meeting xenjule
lunch lyetwo
party ctwekye
race calolwo
shower gegide
trip tpyexye
vacation (US)/holiday (UK) dgwanaxye
war njyenji
wedding djyagdejya
Entertainment words:
ball kpulwa
game jugdeku
to lose bwasyaki
movie, film kukweba
to play bdoxu
to take (a photo) kpyaxwe
to watch cijyo
to win coswo
Money words:
cheap culya
coin xubya
to cost mipi
dollar (or other monetary unit) ngyodwe
expensive bibu
money lweswe
poor lwobjenjwa
rich made
to work kwadwe
Thinking verbs:
to agree bdyani
to believe, to think tcyaktubo
to decide jopolye
to dream ngyakwadu
to know ctwexe
to learn njeci
to think ctuco
to understand, to see lanjebo
to wonder bdyanjwo
Feeling verbs:
to feel ngwonjyomo
to hate dipye
to like (doesn't need to be expressed by a verb) boga
to love ktotcweli
to miss nyojidi
to want, would like nocuto
Speaking verbs:
to apologize dbuctuxu
to argue tixuki
to ask bgukwa
to call pkadu
to lie dipikwa
to mean doswe
to meet dbeloli
to reply, to answer njoxyoba
to request, to ask for/that nweje
to say dbingyaswo
to speak, to talk doco
to teach dboli
to tell xamwa
to thank kpedgasa
Giving and receiving:
to borrow cocya
to bring modbali
to buy jbuno
to feed munu
to find tpyojdupe
to get, to come to have, to obtain syejbanjwe
to give bdwonwanye
to go shopping ngyatcwame
to have, to possess, to own diti
to lend tpumwenwe
to lose ktiko
to need bdwasu
to pay jesu
to sell ngangu
to send kyoba
to share dogwopu
to steal pesi
to take gyejeju
Verbs of physical contact:
to kiss cyelu
to pick syabyexa
to play (an instrument) nodile
to pull jdatpite
to push gipkonu
to rub gwepwoki
to shake tkinyo
to squeeze ctanokye
to tap (on the shoulder) binagwe
to touch kopu
Verbs of position:
to fall lyagweswa
to lie, to recline nolyaxo
to sit gedgwadwe
to stand byekinjya
Verbs of handling matter:
to break tyanji
to carry bwejyona
to close pkasaku
to cut dwemuda
to dig kutkyaso
to open dgwapkyosu
to put ngikwo
to shatter megici
to split xodwexye
to squash, to crush byongi
to tear bjona
to throw xyocongo
to wash pejbinju
to wipe sicye
Expressions and gestures:
to cry jonja
to laugh tpwami
to smile bdyeptadwa
Bodily functions:
to bleed swomwekwa
to break wind, to fart, to pass gas ctyakwa
to breathe kyengyo
to cough gutwa
to defecate, to take a dump, to do one’s business swoseno
to drink njodi
to eat gdupa
to have sex, to sleep with, to make love, to fornicate ngama
to live bjitwa
to smoke mweja
to sleep jdoja
to spit bdoswe
to suck twojwo
to swallow ctwokenge
to sweat, to perspire bgunjwo
to swell dbwepweca
to urinate, to pee, to piss, to make water, to take a leak jbisye
to vomit, to throw up, to puke cimwa
to wake up dgasoke
to yawn golwatu
The five senses:
color njingelye
to feel doja
to hear cwojdamya
to look ngwoneje
to paint (a house, etc.) dwakingyo
picture bekpusu
to see tengu
shadow secomu
to show jyadjigo
sign mixe
to smell jopusyo
sound bdyepkalyo
to taste lobjija
Verbs of movement:
to climb dukwoca
to come tpudi
to crawl ptinjupi
to dance jukwo
to drive dbwoga
to fly kajwa
to go dbuba
to go down, to descend kwesunye
to go up, to ascend kota
to jump tcwojbyobyo
to leave xyego
to move kobye
to return nanjungo
to ride (a bicycle, a camel, etc.) dgogo
to run tikwaga
to swim jbanjyenge
to turn xwodwo
to walk monixwa
Verbs of physical aggression:
to bite pcinye
to hit jemyeja
to kick pikaxo
to kill ptonjyo
to scratch ptoce
to shoot pyocaji
to stab tyodya
Some nature words:
air dbwesya
ashes dwanje
beach lilu
cloud janasyo
desert lyenjexe
diamond tkwamye
dust pkuxe
earth lyanjyo
fire naxidyo
forest tcongyama
glass tcedu
gold ponopyo
ice jepe
iron dino
island pkasyeko
lake ctyatunju
light ninjuja
metal dwacpejo
moon tpwonwa
mountain calya
ocean, sea gungu
rain dyagyalu
river dyosubo
rock, stone pwanga
salt dgyagya
sand cojwa
silver ngyoca
sky nwanjwo
snow dgwasu
soil, dirt jicepo
space loko
star tpugekwo
sun cpene
valley lwabwogo
water xinjita
wind dbengo
wood njwotkwosya
world tkokwodo
to burn gwokungwa
to float nwega
to flow tpyanji
to freeze pcaxwe
to sink kwomeso
Husbandry and farming words:
to fish kagdyonu
to hunt njide
to plant tkupone
Time words:
afternoon pcudotyo
autumn, fall kipcwanju
day (time it takes a planet to rotate on its axis) syedwa
day, daytime jabwogwe
early pkyaxingya
evening nyexugyo
hour (or equivalent) bdwodu
late guta
month jyadbwako
morning dgyojwa
night twoxya
spring kpexibe
summer njutkyanwa
time pcwaxisyo
week buna
winter suci
year pwanjale
Food and drink:
to bake mwenugo
beef tpatwake
beer kolye
bread njyemya
cake xinwe
chicken bdyoxi
chocolate tcyenogyo
to cook pinga
cookie, biscuit twange
egg gdwepcopwe
fish ngitwecwa
food cemi
fruit xupinwo
ham poto
honey patcwanjwa
juice jdobya
meat gesagwa
milk nguni
nut ngwobjwoba
pie njemu
pork nwolu
salad duka
sauce cpangi
soup xadwene
sugar pkucwoke
vegetable pyonjwe
fresh tpesi
rotten ludbenge
Places:
bank gibjocya
bar njegi
bridge miposyo
church/temple pobjyelye
cinema, movie theater dbupi
city, town tokpyoba
country, nation, state, land jbwesye
garden cpina
home, house pkwokya
hospital ngoko
hotel tyelo
library dbwacpyoxwe
park syocoxi
restaurant syogiji
restroom kixwolye
road ngesesi
school njumwo
store, shop ptibjijyo
street pcugo
tower ngatyo
to build lwobweko
Music words:
band jeli
concert dgwoswe
drum noximi
guitar jbengwa
to listen xemeda
music ptyaxuja
piano swani
to sing kpwokye
song cadyo
Published material words:
book tuga
card dbigdima
dictionary ngwocecya
to draw pwoto
homework jdyone
letter (written message) jbyopace
magazine jbyacye
newspaper pyoktali
test, exam dbyebya
word njume
to write ximyo
Containers:
bag ktaco
basket dwanjyo
bottle cpweni
box jdamwa
Vehicles:
airplane todi
bicycle gwobo
boat ktipwa
bus nyemujo
car, automobile pijo
motorcycle logo
ship lengya
skateboard jagye
taxi dbitpwesa
train bgwegya
truck bjwacotyo
wagon kpyomwexe
wheel gonjimu
Weapons:
arrow xoke
gun bisye
rope njocwa
spear ngugya
Household objects:
bed ponju
camera djuca
CD tpwetile
cellphone juma
chair betpwonyo
computer jbyatwe
door kilwe
headphones ngwenexwe
knife xalwe
mirror ctyotu
paper dbwektemye
pen ngosyotya
pencil dbinyo
photograph donje
radio sutya
refrigerator lipwo
room pkapyete
soap jebu
table dbanjyepi
telephone, phone dbwekpate
television, TV tkumobu
wall nasya
window dbyanga
Clothes:
belt cule
button njyata
clothes pangwegu
coat djugyolyo
glove tkyadyedwe
hat njipcugu
jacket dbyona
pants swanga
ring, piercing byeluna
shirt bonwa
shoe ngujye
shorts xyokucye
skirt tunasi
sock kposye
sunglasses pyeku
T-shirt xite
watch syobgyadwe
to wear dgyogiti
Plant words:
apple jalwonjwe
banana syonge
bark gyedjatwa
bean pcwoba
bush cwepo
cabbage cweswo
coffee ctwetwo
corn, maize dbinga
flower xyaxanju
grass tiji
leaf njwegdedwa
onion kungwe
orange gebyalyo
pepper (Capsicum) situtu
plant njwejdisa
potato ctekputwe
rice ngodyenjya
root tpose
rose bdili
seed nwactiswa
stick xobyejya
tomato gdwamwe
tree nganjojya
Animal words:
animal tyepcujya
ant jinjulyo
bear ctasyo
bird dbeke
camel kpumunwa
cat sotocwa
chicken tutkomo
cow lwatyome
dog kacuswo
elephant nwopkece
feather mwomwagwo
fish jilu
fly gyenjya
goat dbube
horse gabwe
human bwatcetyo
insect bjyobjada
lamb cpyotyo
lion lono
monkey ctwejdesyo
mouse sicyote
pig diguji
rabbit ngyonunwa
sheep bibgapa
shell nomyona
snake pcapcweme
spider senyo
tail ngoxwo
wing bexa
worm cobginwe
Human body:
abdomen bducwe
arm ngodetya
back ptonje
blood xacenga
body bjungya
bone mwaga
breast xoda
ear njyonya
eye bijike
face cuxyobu
finger tkwajbeba
foot pwecputya
hair gedjongu
hand bonjye
head ngidi
heart gekepa
knee capa
leg kebe
mouth kixo
nail dgyobanwo
neck mweptwatye
nose ngwektwetyo
shoulder kwacyocu
skin bdije
tear njotosa
toe tegyonjwo
tongue tcyogye
tooth jyemwa
Physical description:
beard ngobgwangye
beautiful, pretty bwajeki
blind ptyajejo
blonde ctyenwajwe
curly sake
freckles dbexicwe
glasses dgwamyo
handsome, attractive cwongo
hazel tkodwa
messy (of hair) gyogyobo
old djejase
short (height) pkaco
straight (hair) lodwo
tall ktyadgyobye
ugly dbwexe
wavy dboktengi
young tcengyoxo
Physical condition:
(to be) cold cpisi
(to be) hot gwatyo
(to be) hungry ngyecyo
(to be) thirsty bungupe
(to be) tired manjono
alive dbide
dead xuke
Events in life:
to be born xebwabye
to die neke
to have (a baby) ngaxo
to marry xoli
Emotions:
afraid genga
angry nwemi
bored njyonjya
excited tyaga
happy gdaptwoxwa
interested dyokpulo
proud ptyonja
sad gdyapwe
sorry xonji
surprised ptute
Kinship terms:
child (reciprocal of parent) djilixwa
parent ngidwa
sibling ptwoja (words for brother or sister can be derived with <ul> and <>.
spouse badukyo
People
adult pcwolu
baby tpupkyo
boy (young man) tpulye
child duco
girl (young woman) jduca
little boy sacyebye
little girl gunge
man twokponjo
person, people tekyo
teen, adolescent ptyebo
woman bjwomye
actress/actor djupu
artist pcolo
doctor dimya
farmer twepkwapu
fisherman ngadbijo
friend lulwanyo or "lulu"
king pcwenoco
neighbor conjale
president or prime minister, whichever your connation has gunginu
priest cibgete
prince koxole
princess dbonjya
queen batpinje
sailor kwele
scientist jusiji
soldier pkudwadwe
student jwokojya
teacher djopo
waiter/waitress/server leto
warrior nyenjyojyo
A few very basic verbs:
to be (location) bute
to change bgekpwoxye
to do, to perform syesyeji
to happen dgwajyo
to help ptesanwe
to let mucya
to make (create) tanasa
to make (cause to be) xibe
to try, to attempt cwema
to use tyopkunge
to wait pcugu
And finally, some general nouns:
class tcodbyoge
group segdike
kind, type, sort nelyedwo
life pcwapo
name ngujdalwa
pair, couple dbijace
place jyengwe
system cwabdongo
team njaxe
thing cose
way lonyo
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Re: Ptila
Usages of the mutations:
Basic Form/Hard Mutation (which I don't gloss)
Verbs
- Actor nominal in Habitual aspect.
Nouns
- Topic (or subject) of the sentence (unless there is some conjunction or particle before the clause governing another mutation)
- Direct object of a main clause except in Habitual aspect, i.e. it appears in Past Perfective, Future perfective, and Progressive.
Soft Mutation
Verbs
- After Past Perfective marker /a/
- After Progressive marker /yo/
Nouns
- After preposition /kpeca/ 'similar to/like'
Nasal Mutation
Verbs
- After Future Perfective marker wo
Nouns
- Direct object of clause in Habitual aspect
- Direct object of all subordinate clauses
- After reflexive possessive suffix /a/.
- After preposition /pe/ 'concerning'
- After nouns with adjectival suffix to specify the feature expressed by the suffix.
Basic Form/Hard Mutation (which I don't gloss)
Verbs
- Actor nominal in Habitual aspect.
Nouns
- Topic (or subject) of the sentence (unless there is some conjunction or particle before the clause governing another mutation)
- Direct object of a main clause except in Habitual aspect, i.e. it appears in Past Perfective, Future perfective, and Progressive.
Soft Mutation
Verbs
- After Past Perfective marker /a/
- After Progressive marker /yo/
Nouns
- After preposition /kpeca/ 'similar to/like'
Nasal Mutation
Verbs
- After Future Perfective marker wo
Nouns
- Direct object of clause in Habitual aspect
- Direct object of all subordinate clauses
- After reflexive possessive suffix /a/.
- After preposition /pe/ 'concerning'
- After nouns with adjectival suffix to specify the feature expressed by the suffix.
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Re: Ptila
Oh my God, that was so awesome! Modbali for "to bring" sounds like "mothball".Omzinesý wrote: ↑14 Dec 2019 17:39 I tried generating the words listed in The Snow Ball Game. Probably many of them will change, because derivation cannot be taken into account in a word generator. Lexical entries of Ptila don't of course correspond to those of English either. Ptila for example doesn't have the category of adjective but utilizes abstract nouns instead.
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
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31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Re: Ptila
It seems I dig up all my old langs
Revising phonology
Vowels
Ptila still has the five monophthongs:
i, e, ä, o, u
Beside them it has three diphthongs:
wi, wɛ, wɑ
Other glides are omitted.
Phonetic changes
/i/
- is [ɨ] after velars
/wi/
- is [wɨ] after velars
- is [ɥi] after palatals
/u/
- is [ʉ] after palatals
/o/ and /e/
- are mid-closed ([o] and [e]) after palatals and dentals
- are mid-open ([ɔ] and [ɛ]) after bilabials, velars, and /h/
/wɛ/
- is /ɥe/ after palatals
/ä/
- is front /a/ after palatals
- is back [ɑ] after velars
- is central [ä] after other consonants
/wɑ/
- is /ɥa/ after palatals
Revising phonology
Vowels
Ptila still has the five monophthongs:
i, e, ä, o, u
Beside them it has three diphthongs:
wi, wɛ, wɑ
Other glides are omitted.
Phonetic changes
/i/
- is [ɨ] after velars
/wi/
- is [wɨ] after velars
- is [ɥi] after palatals
/u/
- is [ʉ] after palatals
/o/ and /e/
- are mid-closed ([o] and [e]) after palatals and dentals
- are mid-open ([ɔ] and [ɛ]) after bilabials, velars, and /h/
/wɛ/
- is /ɥe/ after palatals
/ä/
- is front /a/ after palatals
- is back [ɑ] after velars
- is central [ä] after other consonants
/wɑ/
- is /ɥa/ after palatals
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Re: Ptila
Just saving Awkwards codes
a/i/u/e/o/a/i/u/e/o/wi/we/wa
p/t/c/k/b/d/j/g/s/x/h/m/n/nj/ng/l/y/w
p/t/c/k/b/d/j/g/s/x/h/m/n/nj/ng/l/y/w/bd/bj/bg/db/dj/dg/jb/jd/gb/gd/mn/mnj/mng/nm/nnj/nng/njm/njn/ngm/ngn
CVCV/CVHV/HVCV/HVHV/VCV/VHV
a/i/u/e/o/a/i/u/e/o/wi/we/wa
p/t/c/k/b/d/j/g/s/x/h/m/n/nj/ng/l/y/w
p/t/c/k/b/d/j/g/s/x/h/m/n/nj/ng/l/y/w/bd/bj/bg/db/dj/dg/jb/jd/gb/gd/mn/mnj/mng/nm/nnj/nng/njm/njn/ngm/ngn
CVCV/CVHV/HVCV/HVHV/VCV/VHV
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Re: Ptila
Ptila could have a voice system borrowed from Somali.
That is, it has a middle coice and an antipassive.
But how are they derived syntactically.
If an active clause for 'I opened the door.' is
'Opening' could be a labile verb, because it is not a verb but a noun.
Could the verb still have an object marker, though it derives from 'to be'? 'I opened it' could be:
That is, it has a middle coice and an antipassive.
But how are they derived syntactically.
If an active clause for 'I opened the door.' is
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I-am [after opening] the-door.
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The door is after opening.
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I-am-it [after opening].
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I think the antipassive is simply 'I-do opening.'
It also makes it possible to have another finite verb. It can also be used as a dummy verb 'What do you do.' and 'I'll do it.'
It also makes it possible to have another finite verb. It can also be used as a dummy verb 'What do you do.' and 'I'll do it.'
Edit: There could be other stems expressing moods that, at leats historically, are distinct verbs like to seems.
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Edit: Actually, these after constructions could lead to ergativity.
The book is after writing. 'The book is written.'
The book is after my writing. 'I have written the book.'
The an applicative raises the possessor to something objectlike, but because the possessor is semantically an agent, it actually becomes an ergative subject.
Is-my the book after writing. 'I have written the book.'
The book is after writing. 'The book is written.'
The book is after my writing. 'I have written the book.'
The an applicative raises the possessor to something objectlike, but because the possessor is semantically an agent, it actually becomes an ergative subject.
Is-my the book after writing. 'I have written the book.'
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