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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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:con: Naniuk

Consonants:
/p t tː tʼ k kː kʼ/ <p t tt ts k kk kx>
/t͡s t͡sː t͡sʼ/ <ts tss tts>
/θ s sː sʼ x xː xʼ h/ <z s ss ss x/ch hx hh h>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ň>
/L j w/ <r j uı>

Vowels:
(front) /i y e̞ ø̞ a/ <i y e ø a>
(back) /u ɯ o ʌ ɒ/ <u ui/iu o oi oa>

Diphthongs:
/ɪə̯ ʏə̯ ɛə̯ aʊ̯ ɔʊ̯ ʊu̯/ <í ý é á ó ú>

(C)V(C)
legal coda consonants: /t k t͡s s x h m n ɲ l~ɾ j/

some allophony:
/P/ --> [Pʰ] / #_
/P/ --> [ʰP] / V_V[+stress]
/P/ --> [P (+voice)] / V_V[-stress]
/L/ --> [ɾ] / (onset)
/L/ --> [l] / (coda)
/L/ --> [n] / _N
/t͡s t͡sː t͡sʼ s sː sʼ/ --> [t͡ʃ t͡ʃː t͡ʃʼ ʃ ʃː ʃʼ] / [i, y]_

more on orthography:
Word-initial long or ejective obstruents are written <ıtt, ıts, ıkk, ...>

Is it OK to have the same grapheme represent two different phonemes?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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rough inventory for Fitsaada-u /fitsa:daʔu/

Nasals: /m n/ <m n>
Stop: /p b t d ʈ ɖ k g ʔ/ <p b t d ђ п k g ->
Fricatives: /f θ s ʂ h/ <f th s sh h>
Approximant: /ɹ/ <r>
Affricates: /ts ʈʂ/ <ts c>
Vowels: /i i: u u: e e: a a:/ <i ii u uu e ee a aa>

The romanization is mostly for ease of typing, though I do genuinely like digraphs more than most conlangers out there. Also, the two retroflex stops are borrowed from (Serbian) Cyrillic with absolutely no relation to their original sounds, obviously. The hyphen for glottal stop is the best I could do - it seemed at least more immediately readable than an apostrophe, but who knows.

Syllable structure is (C)V(ʔ)(rmn)(C), with some caveats:
If the glottal stop is added, there can be no other coda.
Neither the glottal stop nor fricative is allowed word-final.
Affricates only count as a member of C for the onset.
If there is a nasal followed by a consonant at the end, the nasal assimilates to the nearest point of articulation.
No dipthongs; all vowels are pronounced as their own syllable nucleus.

Some sample words:
akoashdii - to listen
thuu - to see
ђarbtsaa - to appear (all verbs end in long vowels)
pebundke - ocean
tseg - sun
pooda-u - language

Anyway, I've grown fond of it, although it lacks allophony entirely. That's something I always have a problem with - any suggestions?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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This is the phoneme inventory of my experiment with agglutination:

/m n/ m n
/p~b t k q/ p t k q
/ð s z x h/ d s z g h
/ʋ j ʁ/ v y r

/i iː ĩ a aː ã o oː õ u uː ũ/ ı í ı̨ a á ą o ó ǫ u ú ų

The consonant inventory looks quite unusual at a first glance, but it's less so if we consider it from a historical perspective.
The ancestor's consonant inventory was quite symmetrical: /m n p~b t d s z k ɡ q h r j ʁ/.
The voiced plosives lenited to /ð ɣ/, with /ɣ/ later devoicing to /x/. /r/ became /ɹʷ/ and then fronted to /ʋ/, as IIRC in some English dialects.
Edit: I've finally decided on the phoneme inventory for Fissian.

/m n/ m n
/p~b t ð s z k χ/ p t d s z k g
/ʋ j ʁ/ v y r

/i a o u ꜛi ꜛa ꜛo ꜛu/ ı a o u í á ó ú

Examples follow.
  • tá·vı [táʋî] "roof"
    zon [zōn] "brick"
    tá zon vı [tá zôn vī] "brick roof"
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H.Á. wrote:Is it OK to have the same grapheme represent two different phonemes?
It's not unheard of. It helps if the distribution of geminate and ejective consonants is different. If for example ejectives only occur word initially, <assa> can only mean /asːa/, but <ıssa> could still be either /sːa/ or /s'a/. Maybe you could differentiate them using the place holder <ı> so that <ıssa> is /sːa/ and <ssa> is <s'a>? Anyway, a few homographs never hurt anyone.
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Hey Click, how come you like dotless i's so much ;o
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Tittles are silly. [:D]
On a serious note, I frequently use acutes on vowels and they can be easily confused with tittles, that's why I don't use them.
Edit: Thanks. [:)]
You have just reminded me to ask Aszev to change my username to Clıck.
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A (possibly Europeanized?) Sinic/SE Asian-inspired phonology:
m n ŋ
p b t d k g
tʃ  dʒ
ɸ  β s x ħ h
w ɻ j
l

Vowels:
i u
ɪ
e o
ɛ ɔ
a


Tones:
˥
˧
˩
˦˨
˩˧
˧˥˦
˨˩˧

Phonotactics:
(C)(C)V(C)
The second consonant can only be w, j, ɻ or l.
The coda can only be nasals, unvoiced stops, j or ɻ.
ŋ can only occur in the coda.
/ɪ/ cannot take a contour tone or a non nasal coda.
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Click wrote:Tittles are silly. [:D]
On a serious note, I frequently use acutes on vowels and they can be easily confused with tittles, that's why I don't use them.
Edit: Thanks. [:)]
You have just reminded me to ask Aszev to change my username to Clıck.
ı is so much prettier than i, but I use both for Sōkoan to distinguish and [ɯ]
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I have tables for one of my protolangs of which its inventory is loosely based off Srínawésin, a language designed for the reptilian dragons. Similarly, this language is designed for a conrace of reptilian sentients.
C:
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V:
Image

Phonotactics:
(C)CV(C)(C) or
(C)V(V)
Allowed onsets or codas as of yet are not defined
:eng: : [tick] | :grc: : [:|] | :chn: :isr: :wls: : [:S] | :deu: :ell: :rus: : [:x]
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Here it is the (still raw) consonant and vowel inventory of my newly created language, hûhmin, wich belongs to the Njaropw people (Métiz people) of Morcadia. The language has about 300 000 speakers.

- consonants:
nasals: m, mʷ, n, nʲ
plosives: p, pʷ, t, tʲ, k, kʷ, ʔ
fricatives: f, fʷ, s, ʃ, ʃʷ, x, xʷ, h, hʷ
affricates: ts, tʃ, tʃʷ
approx.: j, ɰ, w
liquids: r, rʲ, l, lʲ

- vowels:
oral: i, ɛ, a, o, ɨ
nasal: ĩ, ɛ̃, ã, õ, ɨ̃
(as you may see, is missing, it did exist before but some instances merged with /ɨ/, and most others were assimilated into labialized consonants.)

- Stress occurs but is non-phonemic. Mostly on the first syllable, but syllables with nasal vowels tend to be stressed.
- As you may have already realized, there's a contrast between plain and labialized consonants for labials, post-alveolars, velars and the glotal fricative. For alveolars (except /s/ and /ts/) the contrast is between plain and palatalized ones.
- The nasal vowels are somewhat slightly different from their respective oral ones in quality.
- Phonotactics: no vowels sequences can occur, a glottal stop must be inserted between them. Consoante clusters are largely permited, maximaly being CCCVC.
- Brief grammar facts: there is no gender; there are three numbers (singular, dual and plural, but dual is not in general use today, it only occurs now on personal pronouns and a few other words), there are seven cases (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, inessive, instrumental, and comitative), five verb modes (indicative, hypothetic, potencial, volitive and imperative), three verb tenses (past, present and future), no aspect marking, and two voices (active and passive).
- About orthography: labialized consoants are represented with a breve above them and palatalized consonants are represented with an acute accent on them. Nasal vowels are represented with an ogonek. Here's the official alphabeth:
a ą c c̆ ç ç̆ e ę f f̆ h h̆ i į j k k̆ l ĺ m m̆ n ń o ǫ p p̆ q r ŕ s t t́ u ų w x x̆ y z
(<c> is /tʃ/, <ç> is /ʃ/, <q> is /ʔ/, <u> is /ɨ/ and <y> is /ɰ/. The other letters correspond roughly to their IPA values with the properties and diacritics as specifies above).

If you have any questions or opinions, share them, please. I'll be grateful!
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Proto-Celestial:

/m n ŋ/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g q qʰ/
/s h/
/l~ɾ w j/

/a i u/
/a: i: u:/
/aj uj/

(C)(w,j)V(F/N)
F means "fricative", N means "nasal".

All consonants can be geminated between vowels except /w/.

This is a proto-lang, so almost no allophony besides /qi qu/ being pronounced [qe qo].

It's simple now, but the planned daughterlangs will have stuff like rounded front vowels from CwV, while others will turn Cj to Cʲ and then those'll lenite into palatal affricates...most of them will drop the uvulars or make them velar, giving /e o/ phonemic status (like the dropping of Laryngeals in PIE that colored vowels), though one dialect (the Jigoku one) will keep the uvulars. The Jigoku dialect has nasalized vowels too.
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
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Click wrote:Tittles are silly. [:D]
On a serious note, I frequently use acutes on vowels and they can be easily confused with tittles, that's why I don't use them.
But, doesn't ıt feel a lıttle weırd?
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Milyamd wrote:
Click wrote:Tittles are silly. [:D]
On a serious note, I frequently use acutes on vowels and they can be easily confused with tittles, that's why I don't use them.
But, doesn't ıt feel a lıttle weırd?
İ must say İ don't think İ see what you mean.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Sangfroidish wrote:
Milyamd wrote:
Click wrote:Tittles are silly. [:D]
On a serious note, I frequently use acutes on vowels and they can be easily confused with tittles, that's why I don't use them.
But, doesn't ıt feel a lıttle weırd?
İ must say İ don't think İ see what you mean.
[+1]

Text ıs more legıble wıthout tıttles, especıally when you use dıacrıtıcked letters such as í and ì, as I do ın many conlangs of mıne.
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Click wrote:Tittles are silly.
I thought the dot over, for example, an i or a j, was a "jot".
I thought a "tittle" was the crossbar on, for example, a t or an x.
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X is all crossbars, if it didn't have a tittle by that definition it just wouldn't exist!
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Oh look it's a Heocg phonology:

/m n/

/p b bʰ t d dʰ k g gʰ q/
<p b bh t d dh k g gh>

/f~v s~z θ~ð x/
<f s ð h>

/ts dz tʃ dʒ/
<c z cg gc>

/w r l j/
<w r l j>

/a aː i iː ɛ e eː o oː u uː y yː/
<a ā i ī eo e ē o ō u ū y ȳ>

I'm trying to make the fucked up child of Old English and Sanskrit here.

Oddly enough, Heocg is spoken in my conworld's equivalent to Malaysia.
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
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Right, I've been lurking this forum for two years now, so it's about time I registered and shared something.

This is called Salga, at least for now. It was originally supposed to be vaguely Celtic but has slowly drifted away from the original idea.
I imagine this as being spoken somewhere in Canada. I intend to make it polysynthetic but it's still really only at the phonology stage.

The vowels
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/i/ <i>
/u/ <u>
/œ/ <ů> nicked this from Siwa
/ɔ/ <o>
/æ/ <e>
/a/ <a>
/uɪ/ <ui>
/œʏ/ <ůi>
/oʊ/ <ou>
/æɪ/ <ai>
/aʊ/ <au>

/i/ /u/ and /a/ have long counterparts, written with an acute accent.


The consonants
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/ð/ <d>
/ɰ/ <g>
/tɬ/ <tl>
/ɬ/ <hl>
/j/ is <i> after consonants, <j> elsewhere
/v/ is <v> initially, <w> elsewhere
The rest as in IPA


Phonotactics

The most complex syllable possible is CCVCC

All consonants except /z/ and /ɰ/ can appear initially
The initial clusters allowed are /n t k s x h l/ + /j/ and /t k s/ + /h/

All consonants can appear finally
The clusters allowed in the coda are /ht hk hs st lt lk ls ld lg mt nt nk nd ng nz ps ts ks/
These are not allowed in syllables with dipthongs.


Primary stress is on the first syllable, secondary stress on the rightmost heavy syllable


Allophony

i/ɪ/_C$
u/ʊ/_C$
œ/ɵ/_C$
ɔ/ʊ/_C$
æ/ɛ/_C$
a/ɑ/_C$

C/Cʲ/_i
Cj/Cʲ
nʲ/ɲ
tʲ/ts~tɕ
kʲ/c~cç
ðʲ/dz~dʑ
sʲ/ɕ
zʲ/ʑ
xʲ/ç~ɕ
hʲ/j~ç~ɕ
lʲ/j
ɰʲ/j


ɰ/j/V_C
ɰ/g/[ln]_V
ð/θ/#_V nicked this from Vanga
ð/t/_[-voice]
ð/d/_[+approximant]
l/r/V_V
l/ɬ/_[-voice]
k/q/_V[+back][-high]
m/m̥/_C[-voiced]
n/n̥/_C[-voiced]
v/w/V_V
v/w/C_V
v/w/_V[+rounded]

{nː,zː,lː}/{ɳː,ʐː,ɭː}
ðː/θː
nd/ɳː
ld/ɭː


I've still got to work out some more allophony, but overall I'm quite satisfied with it.
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Can you give us some sample words?
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Haven't got much yet, but here's a few.

tiůl - water
múl - hand
apsa - fat, blubber
uzůk - meat
kel - tree
dáhot - deer
álat - flower
salk - ice
agil - arrow
tlak - fishing spear
aldát - to live
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