Thank you. Nicely said.
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Re: Tulemo
You're welcome.Omzinesý wrote: ↑24 May 2020 21:53Thank you. Nicely said.
Also: I recognize in "uhralt" the German words for "clock/hour" and "old". What does it mean?
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
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31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Re: Tulemo
It's actually uralt without <h>, though it's pronounced the same, and is, as far as I know and wiktionary can be trusted, unrelated to Uhr, the former stemming from a Proto-Germanic root and the latter from Latin hora.
ur- is a common prefix for anything that's old, and e.g. also used to refer to a great-grandparent (Urgroßvater/-mutter/Uropa/Uroma).
ur- is a common prefix for anything that's old, and e.g. also used to refer to a great-grandparent (Urgroßvater/-mutter/Uropa/Uroma).
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Re: Tulemo
Ur- as in Ursprache or ur-BuzzFeed? I see. FWIU, "Ur" also means aurochs in German.brblues wrote: ↑26 May 2020 19:05 It's actually uralt without <h>, though it's pronounced the same, and is, as far as I know and wiktionary can be trusted, unrelated to Uhr, the former stemming from a Proto-Germanic root and the latter from Latin hora.
ur- is a common prefix for anything that's old, and e.g. also used to refer to a great-grandparent (Urgroßvater/-mutter/Uropa/Uroma).
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Re: Tulemo
Uralt (apparently without h) is the German word for ancient.Khemehekis wrote: ↑26 May 2020 07:24You're welcome.Omzinesý wrote: ↑24 May 2020 21:53Thank you. Nicely said.
Also: I recognize in "uhralt" the German words for "clock/hour" and "old". What does it mean?
There is always the problem that I would like to play with language but English and German as well being L2, there will always be mistakes.
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Re: Tulemo
My idea is that Tulemo is spoken on an island in the Pacific. It was a colony of Spain, so the orthography is based on Spanish and has some silly conventions, based on sound changes that happened in Spanish.Omzinesý wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020 22:28 [...]
Phonology
It is very simple so it can be presented as phoneme tables.
Consonant phonemes
p t k ʔ
f θ x h
s
m n
pm tn kŋ
l
tl kʟ
* Prestopped consonants usually only appear in morpho-phonological processes.
<p t k '>
<f θ~þ x h>
<s>
<m n>
<pm tn kn>
<l>
<tl kl>
Vowel phonemes
i u
e o
ä
<i u>
<e o>
<a>
Syllable structure
(C)V
When /o/ or /u/ is followed by a vowel, [w] appears as a hiatus sound.
When /i/ or /e/ is followed by a vowel, [j] appears as a hiatus sound.
/k/ is written <c> before non-front vowels and <qu> before front vowels.
/θ/ is written <z> before non-front vowels and <c> before front vowels.
/x/ is written <j>, never with <g> though
Sounds /β/, /ð/, /ɣ/, /ʝ/, /r/, t͡ʃ/ also appear in loan words, but most Tulemo words are either native or adapted to the native sound system.
I have to check how Spanish stress phonetically realizes and does it rather resemble Tulemo accent 1 or accent 2.
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Re: Tulemo
Questions
Polar questions (those answered yes or no) are formed by using Interrogative form of Auxiliary, (1).
(1)
θunusò oxinu?
θ-u-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-sg2-sg1-O love-V
'Do you love me?'
Interrogative form does not code polarity. If you just want to know the truth value, you negative and positive questions do not differ. If you want to presuppose an answer, you can add particle posara 'true' or hekita 'false' in the end of the clause, (2).
(2)
θunusò oxinu, posara?
θ-u-nu-so-` oxin-u posara
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-sg2-sg1-O love-V right
'You love me, don't you?'
Wh-questions are formed by using Interrogative Pronominal enclitics. Auxiliary still has Interrogative form, (3) & (4). Because Interrogative form of Auxiliary does not code polarity, polarity is coded in the enclitics, (3) vs. (4).
(3)
θupmenú oxinu?
θ-u-pme-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-who.POSITIVE-sg2-S love-V
'Whom do you love?'
(4)
θupmonú oxinu?
θ-u-pmo-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-who.NEGATIVE-sg2-S love-V
'Whom don't you love?'
To ask rhetoric questions, Fact epistemic Interrogative form -ota- of Auxiliary is used, (5).
(5)
'axatopmenisó sapu.
'a-x-ato-pme-niso-´ sap-u
then-IANIM_DO-FACT.INTERR-POSS.Q-PL1_INCL-S do-V
'What are we going to do next.'
" 'axatopmenisó" is a nice word.
Polar questions (those answered yes or no) are formed by using Interrogative form of Auxiliary, (1).
(1)
θunusò oxinu?
θ-u-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-sg2-sg1-O love-V
'Do you love me?'
Interrogative form does not code polarity. If you just want to know the truth value, you negative and positive questions do not differ. If you want to presuppose an answer, you can add particle posara 'true' or hekita 'false' in the end of the clause, (2).
(2)
θunusò oxinu, posara?
θ-u-nu-so-` oxin-u posara
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-sg2-sg1-O love-V right
'You love me, don't you?'
Wh-questions are formed by using Interrogative Pronominal enclitics. Auxiliary still has Interrogative form, (3) & (4). Because Interrogative form of Auxiliary does not code polarity, polarity is coded in the enclitics, (3) vs. (4).
(3)
θupmenú oxinu?
θ-u-pme-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-who.POSITIVE-sg2-S love-V
'Whom do you love?'
(4)
θupmonú oxinu?
θ-u-pmo-nu-so-` oxin-u
ANIM.DO-DIR.INTERROGATIVE-who.NEGATIVE-sg2-S love-V
'Whom don't you love?'
To ask rhetoric questions, Fact epistemic Interrogative form -ota- of Auxiliary is used, (5).
(5)
'axatopmenisó sapu.
'a-x-ato-pme-niso-´ sap-u
then-IANIM_DO-FACT.INTERR-POSS.Q-PL1_INCL-S do-V
'What are we going to do next.'
" 'axatopmenisó" is a nice word.
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Re: Tulemo
Demonstratives are formed with preposition tiltu 'near'.
Prepositions and verbs have -e form used as an attribute.
hema tilte 'that tree'
It can be specified with pronominal clitics:
hema tilteso 'this tree (near the speaker)'
hema tilteno 'that tree (near the addressee)'
hema tilteniso 'this tree (near us)'
I heard somewhere that using personal pronouns in demonstratives is not very common or "natural". I don't know. It sounds a fun idea anyways.
Prepositions and verbs have -e form used as an attribute.
hema tilte 'that tree'
It can be specified with pronominal clitics:
hema tilteso 'this tree (near the speaker)'
hema tilteno 'that tree (near the addressee)'
hema tilteniso 'this tree (near us)'
I heard somewhere that using personal pronouns in demonstratives is not very common or "natural". I don't know. It sounds a fun idea anyways.
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Re: Tulemo
Reflexives and reciprocals are just intransitives.
θanisò ujinu.
θ-a-nino-` ujin-u
ANIM.O-DIR-PL1-PAT love-V
'We love him/her.'
Taniso ujinu.
t-a-nino ujin-u
ANIM.S-DIR-PL1 love-V
'We love each other.'
Some verbs have of course other meanings as intransitives.
θanisò ujinu.
θ-a-nino-` ujin-u
ANIM.O-DIR-PL1-PAT love-V
'We love him/her.'
Taniso ujinu.
t-a-nino ujin-u
ANIM.S-DIR-PL1 love-V
'We love each other.'
Some verbs have of course other meanings as intransitives.
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