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came up with some new relativizer pronouns:
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Working on my Iberian Anglian lang, Kastixex /ka'sti.ʃeʃ/ and I think I mostly have the sound changes from Old English down; I'm sure there will still be some tweaks.

I sketched some ideas verb periphrasis for forms outside of the present and past indicative and subjunctive (helping verbs given in the OE form pre-sound changes).

stative passive
beon + past participle
dynamic passive
weorþan + past participle
future
sculan + infinitive
perfect
habban + past participle
progressive
beon + æt + infinitive
analytic present subjunctive (mostly in singular)
beon + present participle
analytic past subjunctive (mostly in singular)
beon + present participle OR sculan + infinitive
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I started working on the Kastixex descendants of Old English strong verbs and...wow, so many decisions to make: how much mess to leave, how much to level by analogy and regularization...

Decisions, decisions.
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I did a lot of writing about timekeeping and calendar systems on Ítöð.
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CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝate n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
PTO = Proto-Tim Ar-O
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Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Vrkhazhian no longer has grammaticalized tenses, only mood. Kinda like having an perfective (past) versus imperfective (nonpast) distinction, only realis (nonfuture) versus irrealis (future)

Thus the essential (default) paradigm is basically:

Realis indicates what is, by default indicative but sometimes counterfactual:
Indicative: If woman leave-REAL earlier, she arrive-IRR on time "If the woman leaves earlier, then she may arrive on time"
Counterfactual: if woman leave-REAL earlier, she arrive-REAL on time "If the woman left earlier, then she would have arrived on time"

Although maybe instead I will have a perfect:
if woman leave-REAL be-REAL earlier, she arrive-IRR on time "Had the woman left earlier, then she would have arrived on time"


Irrealis: indicates
  • consequence ("If X then Y will happen")
  • desire ("that [...] will want to do X")
  • intention ("[...] intends to do X")
  • promises ("[...] promises to do X"; "[...] shall do X")
  • threats ("if you mess with [...], then [...] shall do X")
  • questioning ("will [...] speak on the matter?")
When used in conjunction with the subject pronouns (because it's ordinarily null-subject) then the irrealis expresses a strong command or encouragement, like a jussive or hortative. Alternatively, the imperative form of the verb may be used, a form that is commonly used in names such as Nardi-yasni-rabdammi ("Nardi protect my son")

In summary:
paruḫmu "you spoke, you speak, you would've spoken"
napraḫmu "you will speak, you shall speak, you intend to speak, you want to speak, you would speak"
mū napraḫmu "you will surely speak, speak!"
parḫammu "speak!"

Tense markers can be used, but they are not obligatory, neither is aspect, which is denoted only by adverbs or auxiliary verbs or Aktionsart.
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Reworking the table of paradigms on my frathwiki:
https://www.frathwiki.com/Verbs_in_Vrkhazhian
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I have determined the levels of social stratification in Vrkhazhian society

There are four main social classes: ḳebbum (emperor/empress, ruler of rulers), mağādum (official, ruler), lumbum (citizen, freeperson), dambum (slave/domesticated animal). However the job positions of ribād ēsali (vizier and guardian of the land) and mağādum (ruler of the city) could be seen as social classes higher than the simple freeperson, though the vizier is drawn from the royal family while the city ruler is drawn from the freepeople.

Thus (in descending order):
ḳebbum
  • ḳebbuli "The Empress", who primarily deals in matters of governing/civil matters
  • ḳebbili "The Emperor", who primarily deals in matters of war and conquest
  • lumbē śim ḳebbali "the royal family"
mağādum
  • ribādē ēsali "viziers" (actually a step above the other nobility)
  • arśē ḫizāli "high-priests" (also a step above the other nobility)
  • military officials
  • rulers of individual cities
  • religious officials
lumbum
  • all born citizens (labourer, merchant, etc. are not distinguished)
  • foreigners of allied nations
  • all children of debt slaves
  • all children of prisoners of war whose nation was an enemy at the time of capture but later agreed to a peace treaty (uncommon)
  • most "flying" birds (such as crows/ravens, vultures, pidgeons/doves, and songbirds)
  • some "ground" birds (such as secretary birds, ibises, and chickens)
dambum
  • draft animals, livestock, pest control animals, and animals of war
  • prisoners of war and indentured servants
ēbim
  • all wild animals including all ground birds and flying birds not classed as lumbum
  • foreigners of enemy/unconquered nations
The face when the chicken is a higher social rank than you
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Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 00:11 I have determined the levels of social stratification in Vrkhazhian society

Technically there is only three social classes: ḳebbum (ruler), lumbum (citizen, freeperson), dambum (slave/domesticated animal). However the job positions of ribād ēsali (vizier and guardian of the land) and mağādum (ruler of the city) could be seen as social classes higher than the simple freeperson.
Interesting! Two ways of looking at it!

I remember in freshman world history class in high school, I got into an argument with my classmate Sam as to how many castes there were in ancient Hindu society. I told him the pariahs technically didn't count as a caste -- they were outcastes.

"You were wrong!", Sam gloated.

"Actually, James is right", Mrs. Pezzola said.

A little while later, Sam went up to the chalkboard and wrote: James was wrong. I got upset.

Then he silently did that victory gesture holding his biceps and shaking his arms, like people do at baseball games. I was furious.
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Khemehekis wrote: 25 Mar 2021 00:28
Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 00:11 I have determined the levels of social stratification in Vrkhazhian society

Technically there is only three social classes: ḳebbum (ruler), lumbum (citizen, freeperson), dambum (slave/domesticated animal). However the job positions of ribād ēsali (vizier and guardian of the land) and mağādum (ruler of the city) could be seen as social classes higher than the simple freeperson.
Interesting! Two ways of looking at it!
Actually I have since expanded the classes/castes to four and expanded who belongs to what
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Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 00:51 Actually I have since expanded the classes/castes to four and expanded who belongs to what
The obvious next question: what's the new fourth caste?
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Khemehekis wrote: 25 Mar 2021 01:36
Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 00:51 Actually I have since expanded the classes/castes to four and expanded who belongs to what
The obvious next question: what's the new fourth caste?
mağādum, in the edited previous previous post
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Ah, I see it now!

Txabao must have a word for secretary bird!
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I am, however, concerned over the overuse of the phoneme /b/ in all these words
You have ḳebb- "ruler", lumb- "woman, wife", rēb- "man, husband", damb- "domesticated animal", and ēb- "wild animal" all common and close in semantic relation, all ending in /b/ or /mb/
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Is the /b/ thing a coincidence, or is there a diachronic explanation?
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Khemehekis wrote: 25 Mar 2021 02:57 Is the /b/ thing a coincidence, or is there a diachronic explanation?
Definitely a coincidence, but a suspiciously-artificial-like one
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Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 03:18
Khemehekis wrote: 25 Mar 2021 02:57 Is the /b/ thing a coincidence, or is there a diachronic explanation?
Definitely a coincidence, but a suspiciously-artificial-like one
Humans like patterns. That might make the naming scheme more attractive for the conpeople. If anything, someone probably wonders why mağādum doesn't contain /b/ [:P]
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For Kankonian, I added a lot of missing -ous and -ic transition metal words:

molybdenous eddainess
molybdenic dyudainess
cerous dyushakhzat
ceric khalshakhzat
europous edpelekh
europic dyupelekh
germanous edfemzhemtir
germanic (germanium(IV)) khalfemzhemtir
iridous edphamangi
iridic dyuphamangi
iridium(IV) khalphamangi
manganese(VI) sekhkeli
molybdenum(IV) khaldainess
molybdenum(V) khetdainess
molybdenum(VI) sekhdainess
neptunous dyuhuzhon
neptunic khalhuzhon
neptunium(V) khet-huzhon
neptunium(VI) sekh-huzhon
osmious edfakhmar
osmic (osmium(III)) dyufakhmar
osmium(IV) khalfakhmar
osmium(VI) sekhfakhmar
osmium(VII) philfakhmar
plutonous dyukekraz
plutonic khalkekraz
plutonium(V) khetkekraz
plutonium(VI) sekhkekraz
polonous edhezokhes
polonic khalhezokhes
protactinous khalbizanan
protactinic khetbizanan
rhenious edmayal
rhenic khalmayal
rhenium(VI) sekhmayal
rhenium(VII) ebmayal
rhodious edkhavoar
rhodic dyukhavoar
rhodium(IV) khalkhavoar
ruthenous edkokosar
ruthenic dyukokosar
ruthenium(IV) khalkokosar
ruthenium(VI) sekhkokosar
ruthenium(VII) philkokosar
samarous edlayashadi
samaric dyulayashadi
thallous katsagazin
thallic dyusagazin
thulous edzandal
thulic dyuzandal
tungstenous edyaliki
tungstenic dyuyaliki
tungsten(IV) khalyaliki
tungsten(V) khetyaliki
tungsten(VI) sekhyaliki
terbous dyudukten
terbic khaldukten
uranous dyushoi
uranium(V) khetshoi
uranium(VI) sekhshoi
vanadinous edkoretz
vanadinic dyukoretz
vanadium(IV) khalkoretz
vanadium(V) khetkoretz
ytterbious edshosi
ytterbic dyushosi
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Dormouse559 wrote: 25 Mar 2021 04:29 Humans like patterns. That might make the naming scheme more attractive for the conpeople. If anything, someone probably wonders why mağādum doesn't contain /b/ [:P]
because it's an agent noun derived from a verb
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Ahzoh wrote: 25 Mar 2021 05:19
Dormouse559 wrote: 25 Mar 2021 04:29 Humans like patterns. That might make the naming scheme more attractive for the conpeople. If anything, someone probably wonders why mağādum doesn't contain /b/ [:P]
because it's an agent noun derived from a verb
Well, I wasn't asking for me. I'm saying Vrkhazhians would likely focus more on the single word out of five that doesn't have /b/. I think they'd see the prevalence of /b/ as an interesting pattern, not a mark of artificiality, given Vrkhazhian isn't a conlang for them.
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Like, "Why do the sun rising/setting directions end in -st, and the polar stars' directions end in -th?"
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