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This was an idea for a hatelang, similar to Omlueuet. It has two different romanizations. I don't really see how it is a hatelang now apart from the huge fricative inventory and the three low vowels. It's really an X-shaped vowel inventory.

Consonants:
/t tʃ k/ <t č k> <t ch k>
/b d dʒ/ <b d ǯ> <b d j>
/ɓ ɗ/<ɓ ɗ> <bb dd>
/n ŋ/<n ŋ> <n ng>
/ɸ f s ʃ ç x χ/ <ƒ f s ʃ c x x̂> <ph f s sh c x xh>
/β v z ʒ ʝ ɣ ʁ/ <ƀ v z ʒ j ɣ ğ> <bh v z zh jh gh qh>
/ʋ ð̞ j w ʁ̞/ <ʋ ð y w r> <vh dh j w r>

Vowels:
/i u/<i u><ii uu>
/e o/<e o><i u>
/ə/<ə><e>
/ɛ ɜ ɔ/<ɛ ɜ ɔ><ee y oo>
/æ ɑ ɒ/<æ ɒ å><aa a o>
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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More if you mixed an X and Y chromosome: an X with the Y tail betwixt its lower extremities. (It's a well-endowed vowel system.)
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I see it now. Probably there is some letter somewhere in some script that looks like that. Maybe?

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i     u
e     o
   ə
ɛ  ɜ  ɔ
æ  ɑ  ɒ
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DV82LECM wrote: 23 Apr 2021 11:24 (It's a well-endowed vowel system.)
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Vowel harmony.
-Round /i e ɑ ɤ ɯ/
+Round /y ø ɒ o u/
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Creyeditor wrote: 23 Apr 2021 22:48I see it now. Probably there is some letter somewhere in some script that looks like that. Maybe?
Judging by this tool, it appears there isn't, but Tifinagh and the ancient Greek musical symbol 𝈙 come close...
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Nice tool [:)] thank you a lot
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I just started a new conlang and here's its inventory:

/m n ŋ/
/p t k ʔ/
/b d g/
/f s h/
/v z/
/l j w/

/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a a:/

It has a strict CV(V) phonotactics. It has a pitch accent that is sensitive to syllable weight. If there are no heavy syllables in a word, the first syllable takes the high pitch. Otherwise, the rightmost heavy syllable takes the pitch.
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Why is it considered pitch accent and not regular word accent? Is it because it is only realized as pitch and not length?
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Most regular word accent is mostly pitch.
It’s not a contradiction to consider some phenomenon to be both ordinary primary word-stress and also pitch accent;
rather it’s the usual state of affairs.
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The thing is that pitch accent is used for different things. For some people it is a third category besides tone and stress, e.g. look at Larry Hyman's papers. That's why I was asking. Just to find out what pitch accent means here.
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I didn't specify, but I assumed it would work like a stress, but the stress syllable is distinguished solely by pitch.
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Thank you [:)] that answers my question.
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here is the cursed phoneme inventory of Bakhzon Rau

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p   t         k q
b d̪     dz̠ gʲ   ɢ
m   n         ŋ
  ɬ s ʃ       x χ
a e ʌ o i ɯ + high, low, rising tones; all non-dorsal consonants also have palatalized variants

Proto-Rau was probably something like

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p t ƛ c k
b d λ ɟ g
m n     ŋ
  s ɬ ɕ x
  r l j

a ə i u aː iː uː
(there are also clicks, but in most of Hathic they can be analyzed as obligatory realizations of certain consonant clusters)
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For some reason I thought you were talking about Poko-Rawo when I first read your post.
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Chewing on this little thing since last night.

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 n
 t       k   kʷ  ʔ
 t͡s
θ ɬ              h
r l  j       w
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
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This might become something:
/t t͡s t͡ʃ k/ <t c ch k>
/b d d͡z d͡ʒ/ <b d z j>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿd͡z ⁿd͡ʒ/ <mb nd nz nj>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/ⁿp~m̥ ⁿt~n̥/ <mp nt>
/ɸ v s ʃ/ <f v s sh>
/l/ <l>
/r/ <r>
/j w/ <y w>

/i u/ <i u>
/i: u:/ <ii uu>
/e o/ <e o>
/e: o:/ <ee oo>
/a/ <a>
/a:/ <aa>

/ai au/ <ai au>
/oi eu/ <oi eu>
/io ia ue ua/ <io ia ue ua>

/˧ ˩ ˥ ˩˧ ˧˩ ˧˥ ˥˧/ <V V̀ V́ V̀V VV̀ VV́ V́V>
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DesEsseintes wrote: 08 May 2021 13:57 Chewing on this little thing since last night.

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 n
 t       k   kʷ  ʔ
 t͡s
θ ɬ              h
r l  j       w
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
Mayhap /e a/ with /j~i/?
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jimydog000 wrote: 14 May 2021 17:32
DesEsseintes wrote: 08 May 2021 13:57 Chewing on this little thing since last night.

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 n
 t       k   kʷ  ʔ
 t͡s
θ ɬ              h
r l  j       w
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
Mayhap /e a/ with /j~i/?
and /w~u/? That is an idea... thanks!
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I had a dream about a language with strange phonemes, so I decided, based on that, to have a ritualized register of Vrkhazhian, the language's vocabulary being primarily derived from oneiromancy.

šāht wazūwur na /ʃa̤ːt ɥazuːɥur na/ "The Mouth from Dreams"
/a aː i iː u uː/<a ā i ī u ū>
/a̤ a̤ː i̤ i̤ː ṳ ṳː/<ah āh ih īh uh ūh>
/aˤ aˤː iˤ iˤː uˤ uˤː/<aḥ āḥ iḥ īḥ uḥ ūḥ> (strident?)

/m mˀ n nˀ/<m ṃ n ṇ>
/p b t d k g/<p b t d k g>
/s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ ʰʔ~ɦˀ/<s z š ž ḫ ğ ~>
/l lˀ ɥ ɥˀ/<l ḷ w ẉ>
/r/<r>

Compared to normal Vrkhazhian, the register is characterized by:
  • A lack of ejective distinction in obstruents and a development of glottalization in sonorants
  • The lateral fricatives have become postpalatal fricatives.
  • The merger of /j w/ into /ɥ/
  • lack of phonemic /e/ but the presecence of different vowel phonations
Grammatically, the register doesn't have cases or gender (and the case-gender endings are removed) but it does use reduplication to indicate plurality. It also uses devoicing the final consonant and breathy voicing the vowels to indicate the construct state.
Image Śād Warḫālali (Vrkhazhian) [ WIKI | CWS ]
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