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A Tolkien-ish phoneme inventory

p t c k
b d ɟ g
f s ɕ
m n ɲ
l r
ʋ j

(y) i u
e o~ɔ
ɛ
ä

- Voiced stops only appear after nasals or liquids.
- /y/ appears in some dialects and is merged with /i/ in the others.
- Penultimate phonetic stress
- Maximal syllable CCVC
-- Only allowed codas: {n, l, r}
-- Only allowed onset clusters: {p, t, c, k, b, d, ɟ, g , f, s, ɕ} + {l, r}
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Something meant to sound ugly and cute at the same time, which is basically the default recipe I have for conlangs so eh.

/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k q (ʔ)/ <p b t d k q Ø>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ/ <ph th kh qh>
/s/ <s>
/j w ɣ~ʁ h/ <y w g h>
/ɾ l/ <r l>

/ɑ ɒ ə ə̹ ɚ ɚ̹ i u/ <a o e ö er ör i u>
/ɑː ɒː ə ə̹ ɚː ɚ̹ː iː uː/ <aa oo ee öö eer öör ii uu>

/ʔ/ only occurs in "vowel-initial" syllables.

All syllables are CV(C), with only /N Q L/ allowed in coda; a homorganic nasal (with nasalisation of the preceding consonant), gemination or a liquid that follows liquid harmony. /b d ʔ j w ɣ h/ do not occur geminated. Geminate /ɾ/ is [rr] and distinguished orthographically from /ɚɾ ɚ̹ɾ/ by being written as <rr> while /ɚɾ ɚ̹ɾ/ are written <er'r ör'r>, and the geminate liquids don't occur after rhotic vowels.

/pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ/ can be [p͡ɸ t̪͡θ k͡x q͡χ], [p͡ɸʰ t̪͡θʰ k͡xʰ q͡χʰ], [p͡ɸʰx t̪͡θʰx k͡xʰx q͡χʰx], [p͡ɸʰh͡x t̪͡θʰh͡x k͡xʰh͡x q͡χʰh͡x] or even [ʰp͡ɸʰh͡x ʰt̪͡θʰh͡x ʰk͡xʰh͡x ʰq͡χʰh͡x].
/ɾ l/ are [ɻ ɭ] after /ɚ ɚ̹/.

There used to be /*ɣ/ and /*ʁ/ as separate phonemes, but they've merged and are now in free variation but [ɣ] is more common before /ə ə̹ i u/ and [ʁ] before /ɑ ɒ ɚ ɚ̹/.

There's vowel harmony between /ɑ ə ɚ/ and /ɒ ə̹ ɚ̹/, but /i u/ are neutral. There's also limited rhotic vowel harmony, with /ɚ/ and /ɚ̹/ being in complementary distribution in suffixes depending on whether the last vowel in the word is rhotic or not.

There's liquid harmony, with only /ɾ/ or /l/ allowed in a word and being in complementary distribution in suffixes.

Gibberish example:
Möömör'rör khuuobiironngoguu aqhaernqai yulolö.
[mə̹ːmɚ̹ɻɚ̹ k͡xʰuːʔɒbʲiːɾɒ̃ŋŋɒɣuː ʔɑq͡χʰɑʔɚ̃ɴqɑʔʲi julɒlə̹]
Frislander wrote: 03 Sep 2021 15:10...
Seems like something that'd be a pretty unique language.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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I’m currently reviving an old conlang of mine called Dirimbyééru for the upcoming relay, so I wanted to quickly post the tweaked inventory I’m working with:

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    n       ŋ 
    t       k   ʔ 
b   d       g    
    r   j   w   h
u   e   i   a
/ŋ ʔ j/ are written ng ’ y

It’s surprisingly faithful to what I came up with all these years ago, but there are some minor changes:
- /m/ got deleted for /ŋ/ (see below for its allophonic reappearance though)
- I decided on /a/ rather than /o/
- There is now a glottal stop

/n r/ can be syllabic, either before an identical onset on the following syllable, or between two consonants, or between word initial position and another consonant. These two consonants can also occur geminate in coda position. Syllabic and geminate /n r/ are both written doubled nn rr; context should always suffice to distinguish between the two.

Syllable structure is maximally CGVC where G is any of /n r j w/ and permissible codas are /n nː ŋ ʔ r rː/. Word-finally the set of permissible codas is slightly different: /n ŋ t k r/

/n/ assimilates to the PoA of a following consonant. This means [m] before /b/, written m. This also applies to syllabic /n/, written mm before /b/. /ŋ/ does not assimilate before other consonants, but the distinction between the two nasals is lost before velars.

Morphophonological processes include:
- i e → e a / _C[+velar] ! does not affect long vowels
- e → u / _b
- k → ’ / _C[+stop]

Some words:

enngidááwa
wágrrgá’ryarte
erénggrrte
eyúúru
iryárru
krínggidrru
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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DesEsseintes wrote: 06 Sep 2021 20:10 /n r/ can be syllabic, either before an identical onset on the following syllable, or between two consonants, or between word initial position and another consonant. These two consonants can also occur geminate in coda position. Syllabic and geminate /n r/ are both written doubled nn rr; context should always suffice to distinguish between the two.
So, a syllable with a syllabic /n/ or /r/ as its nucleus cannot have a coda?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Omzinesý wrote: 06 Sep 2021 22:28
DesEsseintes wrote: 06 Sep 2021 20:10 /n r/ can be syllabic, either before an identical onset on the following syllable, or between two consonants, or between word initial position and another consonant. These two consonants can also occur geminate in coda position. Syllabic and geminate /n r/ are both written doubled nn rr; context should always suffice to distinguish between the two.
So, a syllable with a syllabic /n/ or /r/ as its nucleus cannot have a coda?
That is indeed correct, though I hadn’t thought of it that way!
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“With overwhelmingly greater-than-chance frequency”, consonantal syllables tend to be at most two consonants long.
Neither their onsets nor their nuclei nor their codas tend to be clusters.
And they tend to be either open (ie codaless) or onsetless.

Of course that’s about languages-in-general that happen to have consonantal syllables.
Your conlang’s mileage may vary.
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/a e o/ /ae̯ ao̯/ /e̯a o̯a/ a e o ae ao ea oa
/p t c k kʷ/ /b d ɟ g gʷ/ p t cj~c c qu b d dj~g g gu
/f s ɕ h hʷ/ f s ş h hu
/m n ɲ/ m n ñ
/r l ʋ j/ r l v i
(C)(C)V(N). Coda nasal must be homoörganic with the following obstruent, and onset CC clusters must be [obstruent] + [r, l].
/k g/ contrast with /c ɟ/ only before /a o ae̯ ao̯ o̯a/; before /e e̯a/ only /c ɟ/ appear, written c g. In compounds, rarily hiatus appear, which are written aë aö ëa öa. Same-vowel hiatus are contracted.
ω - near-close near-back unrounded vowel.
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A new derivation from Kahichali phoneme inventory.

p t k
s ʃ ç x (ʍ)
m n
l r j (w)

- I'm not sure if the labiovelars should be included.

y i u
ɛ ɑ
Vowels can be nasalized and have some tones.

Syllable structure:
(C)(C)V

The allowed consonant clusters are:
plosive + fricative/liquid
{p t k} + {s ʃ ç x (ʍ) l r}
Phonetically, there are thus affricates and velar/palatal 'aspiration'.
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Titus Flavius wrote: 11 Sep 2021 18:07 /a e o/ /ae̯ ao̯/ /e̯a o̯a/ a e o ae ao ea oa
/p t c k kʷ/ /b d ɟ g gʷ/ p t cj~c c qu b d dj~g g gu
/f s ɕ h hʷ/ f s ş h hu
/m n ɲ/ m n ñ
/r l ʋ j/ r l v i
(C)(C)V(N). Coda nasal must be homoörganic with the following obstruent, and onset CC clusters must be [obstruent] + [r, l].
/k g/ contrast with /c ɟ/ only before /a o ae̯ ao̯ o̯a/; before /e e̯a/ only /c ɟ/ appear, written c g. In compounds, rarily hiatus appear, which are written aë aö ëa öa. Same-vowel hiatus are contracted.
Some reason for not having high vowels?
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No. [:)]
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ω - near-close near-back unrounded vowel.
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Omzinesý wrote: 11 Sep 2021 18:23
Titus Flavius wrote: 11 Sep 2021 18:07 /a e o/ /ae̯ ao̯/ /e̯a o̯a/ a e o ae ao ea oa
/p t c k kʷ/ /b d ɟ g gʷ/ p t cj~c c qu b d dj~g g gu
/f s ɕ h hʷ/ f s ş h hu
/m n ɲ/ m n ñ
/r l ʋ j/ r l v i
(C)(C)V(N). Coda nasal must be homoörganic with the following obstruent, and onset CC clusters must be [obstruent] + [r, l].
/k g/ contrast with /c ɟ/ only before /a o ae̯ ao̯ o̯a/; before /e e̯a/ only /c ɟ/ appear, written c g. In compounds, rarily hiatus appear, which are written aë aö ëa öa. Same-vowel hiatus are contracted.
Some reason for not having high vowels?
Well, by the phonemes and orthography, I would wager that consonant+/i u/ "clusters" fully merged into the labialized and palatal consonants.
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