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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 16 Apr 2021 23:14
by Creyeditor
This was an idea for a hatelang, similar to Omlueuet. It has two different romanizations. I don't really see how it is a hatelang now apart from the huge fricative inventory and the three low vowels. It's really an X-shaped vowel inventory.
Consonants:
/t tʃ k/ <t č k> <t ch k>
/b d dʒ/ <b d ǯ> <b d j>
/ɓ ɗ/<ɓ ɗ> <bb dd>
/n ŋ/<n ŋ> <n ng>
/ɸ f s ʃ ç x χ/ <ƒ f s ʃ c x x̂> <ph f s sh c x xh>
/β v z ʒ ʝ ɣ ʁ/ <ƀ v z ʒ j ɣ ğ> <bh v z zh jh gh qh>
/ʋ ð̞ j w ʁ̞/ <ʋ ð y w r> <vh dh j w r>
Vowels:
/i u/<i u><ii uu>
/e o/<e o><i u>
/ə/<ə><e>
/ɛ ɜ ɔ/<ɛ ɜ ɔ><ee y oo>
/æ ɑ ɒ/<æ ɒ å><aa a o>
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 23 Apr 2021 11:24
by DV82LECM
More if you mixed an X and Y chromosome: an X with the Y tail betwixt its lower extremities. (It's a well-endowed vowel system.)
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 23 Apr 2021 22:48
by Creyeditor
I see it now. Probably there is some letter somewhere in some script that looks like that. Maybe?
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2021 05:17
by DesEsseintes
DV82LECM wrote: ↑23 Apr 2021 11:24
(It's a well-endowed vowel system.)
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2021 15:32
by jimydog000
Vowel harmony.
-Round /i e ɑ ɤ ɯ/
+Round /y ø ɒ o u/
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2021 20:50
by Sequor
Creyeditor wrote: ↑23 Apr 2021 22:48I see it now. Probably there is some letter somewhere in some script that looks like that. Maybe?
Judging by
this tool, it appears there isn't, but Tifinagh
ⵅ and the ancient Greek musical symbol
𝈙 come close...
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 25 Apr 2021 10:03
by Creyeditor
Nice tool
thank you a lot
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 27 Apr 2021 18:47
by LinguoFranco
I just started a new conlang and here's its inventory:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k ʔ/
/b d g/
/f s h/
/v z/
/l j w/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a a:/
It has a strict CV(V) phonotactics. It has a pitch accent that is sensitive to syllable weight. If there are no heavy syllables in a word, the first syllable takes the high pitch. Otherwise, the rightmost heavy syllable takes the pitch.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 27 Apr 2021 20:46
by Creyeditor
Why is it considered pitch accent and not regular word accent? Is it because it is only realized as pitch and not length?
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 27 Apr 2021 23:52
by eldin raigmore
Most regular word accent is mostly pitch.
It’s not a contradiction to consider some phenomenon to be both ordinary primary word-stress and also pitch accent;
rather it’s the usual state of affairs.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 28 Apr 2021 14:49
by Creyeditor
The thing is that pitch accent is used for different things. For some people it is a third category besides tone and stress, e.g. look at Larry Hyman's papers. That's why I was asking. Just to find out what pitch accent means here.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 28 Apr 2021 18:25
by LinguoFranco
I didn't specify, but I assumed it would work like a stress, but the stress syllable is distinguished solely by pitch.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 28 Apr 2021 22:36
by Creyeditor
Thank you
that answers my question.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 03 May 2021 18:55
by Nortaneous
here is the cursed phoneme inventory of Bakhzon Rau
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p t k q
b d̪ dz̠ gʲ ɢ
m n ŋ
ɬ s ʃ x χ
a e ʌ o i ɯ + high, low, rising tones; all non-dorsal consonants also have palatalized variants
Proto-Rau was probably something like
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p t ƛ c k
b d λ ɟ g
m n ŋ
s ɬ ɕ x
r l j
a ə i u aː iː uː
(there are also clicks, but in most of Hathic they can be analyzed as obligatory realizations of certain consonant clusters)
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 04 May 2021 08:26
by Creyeditor
For some reason I thought you were talking about Poko-Rawo when I first read your post.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 08 May 2021 13:57
by DesEsseintes
Chewing on this little thing since last night.
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 10 May 2021 16:56
by Shemtov
This might become something:
/t t͡s t͡ʃ k/ <t c ch k>
/b d d͡z d͡ʒ/ <b d z j>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿd͡z ⁿd͡ʒ/ <mb nd nz nj>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/ⁿp~m̥ ⁿt~n̥/ <mp nt>
/ɸ v s ʃ/ <f v s sh>
/l/ <l>
/r/ <r>
/j w/ <y w>
/i u/ <i u>
/i: u:/ <ii uu>
/e o/ <e o>
/e: o:/ <ee oo>
/a/ <a>
/a:/ <aa>
/ai au/ <ai au>
/oi eu/ <oi eu>
/io ia ue ua/ <io ia ue ua>
/˧ ˩ ˥ ˩˧ ˧˩ ˧˥ ˥˧/ <V V̀ V́ V̀V VV̀ VV́ V́V>
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 14 May 2021 17:32
by jimydog000
DesEsseintes wrote: ↑08 May 2021 13:57
Chewing on this little thing since last night.
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
Mayhap /e a/ with /j~i/?
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 14 May 2021 17:35
by DesEsseintes
jimydog000 wrote: ↑14 May 2021 17:32
DesEsseintes wrote: ↑08 May 2021 13:57
Chewing on this little thing since last night.
The vowels might be /i e a/, intensifying the Wichita vibe even further.
Mayhap /e a/ with /j~i/?
and /w~u/? That is an idea... thanks!
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Posted: 14 May 2021 22:58
by Ahzoh
I had a dream about a language with strange phonemes, so I decided, based on that, to have a ritualized register of Vrkhazhian, the language's vocabulary being primarily derived from oneiromancy.
šāht wazūwur na /ʃa̤ːt ɥazuːɥur na/ "The Mouth from Dreams"
/a aː i iː u uː/<a ā i ī u ū>
/a̤ a̤ː i̤ i̤ː ṳ ṳː/<ah āh ih īh uh ūh>
/aˤ aˤː iˤ iˤː uˤ uˤː/<aḥ āḥ iḥ īḥ uḥ ūḥ> (strident?)
/m mˀ n nˀ/<m ṃ n ṇ>
/p b t d k g/<p b t d k g>
/s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ ʰʔ~ɦˀ/<s z š ž ḫ ğ ~>
/l lˀ ɥ ɥˀ/<l ḷ w ẉ>
/r/<r>
Compared to normal Vrkhazhian, the register is characterized by:
- A lack of ejective distinction in obstruents and a development of glottalization in sonorants
- The lateral fricatives have become postpalatal fricatives.
- The merger of /j w/ into /ɥ/
- lack of phonemic /e/ but the presecence of different vowel phonations
Grammatically, the register doesn't have cases or gender (and the case-gender endings are removed) but it does use reduplication to indicate plurality. It also uses devoicing the final consonant and breathy voicing the vowels to indicate the construct state.