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ixals wrote: 11 May 2021 22:17 Do the sound developments matter? It's about whether the characters are good choices to represent the meaning of the word. Or do I misunderstand your question?
I think you misunderstand my question, but then I may have been mistaken about the way you are building your language. "Sound developments" refers to the (imagined) sound changes from Proto-Germanic to your language. But maybe you are not even using that method, so my question may be moot.
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WeepingElf wrote: 12 May 2021 13:18 I think you misunderstand my question, but then I may have been mistaken about the way you are building your language. "Sound developments" refers to the (imagined) sound changes from Proto-Germanic to your language. But maybe you are not even using that method, so my question may be moot.
No, no, I do use sound changes to derive it from Proto-Germanic, it's just that the sound changes/the etymology is not necessary to know for this question imo. A similar example is Chinese has both and meaning tooth, so which one would I use for my germlang because I only have one word for tooth? Classical Chinese also had multiple characters for the third person (also some are used for third AND second person simultaneously) but with no difference in gender and number, so which ones would be the most fitting to use for my germlang? I just assigned them randomly now but I am not happy with that so far.
All4Ɇn wrote: 12 May 2021 05:20 I really like the second person ones but agree with you with the third person ones. Maybe you could change them to characters relating to men and women to stand in for the masculine/feminine gender split in the singular?
That's a good idea, I also had that for a second. I didn't find anything good though. I thought about using and because there is a , but no with a radical. It wouldn't have been a good idea anyway because I think I need to mean daughter.

Scrap that! While writing this post I accidently found about a variant character of , the third person character which also has other male meanings! [:D] It's , so I can use / for the male singular! Now there's only the female version which doesn't really have female connotations.

Ok, this changes everything. Now that isn't taken anymore, I can use it for the second person for which it was also used and I can get rid of which is just some dialectal character. However, I think I'll go ahead and switch and because Wiktionary says you (singular), but who knows how correct it is.

俉/吾 - 1SG
俄/我 - 1PL
伊/尹 - 2SG
儞/爾 - 2PL
伕/夫 - 3SG.M
他/也 - 3SG.F
倛/其 - 3PL

This is it, I think. I like it way more this way. Not as happy with the female pronoun as with the other ones yet but it's acceptable. Thanks for your reply which made me look through the characters again though [:P]
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Oh, so I missed the point completely. The question was not about the sound shapes of the pronouns, but which Chinese characters to use to write them. That, of course, doesn't have anything to do with Germanic diachronic phonology, and as someone who doesn't speak or write Chinese, I can't say anything on that.
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The real answer, of course, is that you should use Germanic logograms...

...but unfortunately you'd have to restart the Germanic logogram project again to do so. And I'm guessing it's been pruned...
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Salmoneus wrote: 12 May 2021 20:19 The real answer, of course, is that you should use Germanic logograms...

...but unfortunately you'd have to restart the Germanic logogram project again to do so. And I'm guessing it's been pruned...
Yeah, this would be the best option of course. I tried it once myself when I first started the project but I couldn't come up with something I like. Maybe one day [:'(]
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ixals wrote: 12 May 2021 19:19This is it, I think. I like it way more this way. Not as happy with the female pronoun as with the other ones yet but it's acceptable. Thanks for your reply which made me look through the characters again though [:P]
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Yay or nay? Switch from Nominative-Oblique system to Direct-Oblique system?

Nominative-Oblique system:

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           SG     / PL
Subject:   alādum / alādū
DirObject: alādam / alādā
IndObject: alādam / alādā
Direct-Oblique system:

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           SG     / PL
Subject:   alādum / alādū
DirObject: alādum / alādū
IndObject: alādam / alādā
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@Ahzoh nay
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Nay
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