Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
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Opening of previous thread:
The main goal here besides seeing others figuring out the puzzle is how they do so: I want to see the multiple ways a single word can possibly change when given enough time, as it might give me interesting new insights into historical linguistics and the malleability of sounds. So hopefully this'll be as interesting to the challengee as it'll be to the challenger. It's not going to be anything too complex for now (at least I don't think so), so without further ado:
Current challenge:
1 /n͡dáfísḭ̂/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/
2 /n͡dáɸūsḭ̀/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/
3 /n͡dá̤ēɕì/
/m͡bét͡ɕì/
4 /oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰/
/ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰/
5 /oˈɾat͡s'ə/
/ˈmɛʈ͡ʂ'ə/
6 /aˈnat͡s'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'i/
7 /aˈnwac'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'ɨ/
8 /oˈnɔ:t͡ɕḭ:/
/ˈmɨ:kʰɨ̰:/
9 /ˈnaɕɕigɨ/
/ˈmi:d͡ʑigɨ/
10 /ˈnɛʑigu/
/ˈme:ʑigu/
11 /ˈnɛsɪk/
/ˈme:ðɪk/
12 /ɔˈdɔn͡zɪk/
/ˈbʌn̪͡d̪ɪk/
13 /uˈdõx/
/ˈɓãx/
14 /ˈodãʃ/
/ˈpɪ̃t'/
15 /ˈhodɛ̃:ʃ/
/ˈɸẽtk/
16 /ˈɸudo:ʃ/
/ˈɸiʃ:/
17 /ˈɸudboʃ/
/ˈpit͡ʃ/
18 /ˈudvosik/
/ˈbiʒ:ik/
19 /ˈudu:ʃic/
/ˈbisac/
20 /ˈuðo:ʒiʃ/
/ˈðiʃiʃ/
21 /ˈulo:ziç/
/ˈd̼isiç/
22 /ˈiluzi:/
/ˈwei̯si:/
23 /ˈʏlrɪk/
/ˈwizɪk/
Opening of previous thread:
The main goal here besides seeing others figuring out the puzzle is how they do so: I want to see the multiple ways a single word can possibly change when given enough time, as it might give me interesting new insights into historical linguistics and the malleability of sounds. So hopefully this'll be as interesting to the challengee as it'll be to the challenger. It's not going to be anything too complex for now (at least I don't think so), so without further ado:
Current challenge:
1 /n͡dáfísḭ̂/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/
2 /n͡dáɸūsḭ̀/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/
3 /n͡dá̤ēɕì/
/m͡bét͡ɕì/
4 /oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰/
/ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰/
5 /oˈɾat͡s'ə/
/ˈmɛʈ͡ʂ'ə/
6 /aˈnat͡s'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'i/
7 /aˈnwac'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'ɨ/
8 /oˈnɔ:t͡ɕḭ:/
/ˈmɨ:kʰɨ̰:/
9 /ˈnaɕɕigɨ/
/ˈmi:d͡ʑigɨ/
10 /ˈnɛʑigu/
/ˈme:ʑigu/
11 /ˈnɛsɪk/
/ˈme:ðɪk/
12 /ɔˈdɔn͡zɪk/
/ˈbʌn̪͡d̪ɪk/
13 /uˈdõx/
/ˈɓãx/
14 /ˈodãʃ/
/ˈpɪ̃t'/
15 /ˈhodɛ̃:ʃ/
/ˈɸẽtk/
16 /ˈɸudo:ʃ/
/ˈɸiʃ:/
17 /ˈɸudboʃ/
/ˈpit͡ʃ/
18 /ˈudvosik/
/ˈbiʒ:ik/
19 /ˈudu:ʃic/
/ˈbisac/
20 /ˈuðo:ʒiʃ/
/ˈðiʃiʃ/
21 /ˈulo:ziç/
/ˈd̼isiç/
22 /ˈiluzi:/
/ˈwei̯si:/
23 /ˈʏlrɪk/
/ˈwizɪk/
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
My verdict on Shimobaatar's most recent attempt:
1 [ⁿdáfísḭ̂] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
2 [ⁿdáɸūsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
3 [ⁿdá̤ēɕì] - [ᵐbét͡ɕì]
1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
Fully correct.
4 [oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰] - [ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰]
5 [oˈɾat͡sʼə] - [ˈmɛʈ͡ʂʼə]
6 [aˈnat͡sʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼi]
7 [aˈnwacʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼɨ]
8 [oˈnɔːt͡ɕḭː] - [ˈmɨːkʰɨ̰ː]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]
First word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.
Second word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.
9 [ˈnaɕɕigɨ] - [ˈmiːd͡ʑigɨ]
10 [ˈnɛʑigu] - [ˈmeːʑigu]
11 [ˈnɛsɪk] - [ˈmeːðɪk]
9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
First word: Fully correct.
Second word: 1 consonant incorrect, no contrastive vowel length was in this protoform.
12 [ɔˈdɔⁿzɪk] - [ˈbʌⁿd̪ɪk]
13 [uˈdõx] - [ˈɓãx]
14 [ˈodãʃ] - [ˈpɪ̃tʼ]
15 [ˈhodɛ̃ːʃ] - [ˈɸẽtk]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]
First word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
Second word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
No independent nasals were in this protoform for these words.
16 [ˈɸudoːʃ] - [ˈɸiʃː]
17 [ˈɸudboʃ] - [ˈpit͡ʃ]
18 [ˈudvosik] - [ˈbiʒːik]
16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]
19 [ˈuduːʃic] - [ˈbisac]
20 [ˈuðoːʒiʃ] - [ˈðiʃiʃ]
21 [ˈuloːziç] - [ˈd̼isiç]
19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
16-18 and 19-21 are not the correct split of 16-21.
22 [ˈiluziː] - [ˈwei̯siː]
23 [ˈʏlrɪk] - [ˈwizɪk]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]
First word: Fully correct
Second word: 2 incorrect vowels.
1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]
1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
1-8 is not a correct grouping.
9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]
9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
No prenasalization is present in these protoforms.
16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]
19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]
16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel.
Second word: 1 incorrect consonant, 2 incorrect vowels.
1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
1-23 [ˈɸodɔ̃t͡sʼik] - [ˈbẽt̪ʼɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 missing consonant
Second word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel
No ejectives existed in the original protoforms.
1 [ⁿdáfísḭ̂] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
2 [ⁿdáɸūsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
3 [ⁿdá̤ēɕì] - [ᵐbét͡ɕì]
1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
Fully correct.
4 [oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰] - [ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰]
5 [oˈɾat͡sʼə] - [ˈmɛʈ͡ʂʼə]
6 [aˈnat͡sʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼi]
7 [aˈnwacʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼɨ]
8 [oˈnɔːt͡ɕḭː] - [ˈmɨːkʰɨ̰ː]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]
First word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.
Second word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.
9 [ˈnaɕɕigɨ] - [ˈmiːd͡ʑigɨ]
10 [ˈnɛʑigu] - [ˈmeːʑigu]
11 [ˈnɛsɪk] - [ˈmeːðɪk]
9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
First word: Fully correct.
Second word: 1 consonant incorrect, no contrastive vowel length was in this protoform.
12 [ɔˈdɔⁿzɪk] - [ˈbʌⁿd̪ɪk]
13 [uˈdõx] - [ˈɓãx]
14 [ˈodãʃ] - [ˈpɪ̃tʼ]
15 [ˈhodɛ̃ːʃ] - [ˈɸẽtk]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]
First word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
Second word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
No independent nasals were in this protoform for these words.
16 [ˈɸudoːʃ] - [ˈɸiʃː]
17 [ˈɸudboʃ] - [ˈpit͡ʃ]
18 [ˈudvosik] - [ˈbiʒːik]
16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]
19 [ˈuduːʃic] - [ˈbisac]
20 [ˈuðoːʒiʃ] - [ˈðiʃiʃ]
21 [ˈuloːziç] - [ˈd̼isiç]
19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
16-18 and 19-21 are not the correct split of 16-21.
22 [ˈiluziː] - [ˈwei̯siː]
23 [ˈʏlrɪk] - [ˈwizɪk]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]
First word: Fully correct
Second word: 2 incorrect vowels.
1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]
1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
1-8 is not a correct grouping.
9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]
9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
No prenasalization is present in these protoforms.
16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]
19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]
16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel.
Second word: 1 incorrect consonant, 2 incorrect vowels.
1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
1-23 [ˈɸodɔ̃t͡sʼik] - [ˈbẽt̪ʼɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 missing consonant
Second word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel
No ejectives existed in the original protoforms.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
I started making an excel spreadsheet with the forms, but honestly in this case it is not exactly a useful use of my time, since this has been dead for like five months.
My guess right now is something like *hu'ⁿdɔsiku *'mɛ:ciku.
I know that there's sort of been a drop in activity in this kind of thread. I'd recommend that we go back to using maps, and opt for clearer treeings with clear innovatory characteristics.
My guess right now is something like *hu'ⁿdɔsiku *'mɛ:ciku.
I know that there's sort of been a drop in activity in this kind of thread. I'd recommend that we go back to using maps, and opt for clearer treeings with clear innovatory characteristics.
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Dang it, the file used to create this challenge has been deleted somehow.
Anyone up to making a new challenge?
Anyone up to making a new challenge?
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
I can make a new one. In fact I'm doing that right now :)
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Maps can be made with free software! I use GIMP and Inkscape generally, but if it's not possible to make a map, then we just don't make a map that round. In general, I think engagement is higher with maps because solvers can then map out their ideas more easily. Maps also allow for a more spatially interesting orientation. The main drawback, I think is that it's harder to do multiple words, so the sound changes, and the guesses of it, are more adhoc. But I also think having multiple words has slowed down the game quite a bit, especially when you're reconstructing four words, and not one.shimobaatar wrote: ↑18 Nov 2022 13:12What if someone "wins" and gets to run the next round, but doesn't have the ability to create a map?
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My initial guess is something like *mnajdug, with the following sound changes:
- g > ŋ > ∅, m with vowel nasalization
- g > ɣ > w, j > ∅, vowel changes
- g > k
- g > x > f
- g > g͡ʟ > ˀl in /nɜˈjɔ̯l/ if creaky voice was intended, there seems to be a typo in that word
- jd > ɟ
- jd > jl > j, ʎ, ɬ, ll
- jd > jz, ðð > js, θθ
- jd > ʒ > ʃ > χ
- jd > jn > ɲ
The form with a medial /m/ probably went through a sequence like this:
mnajdug > ɲəjduɣ > j̃əjnuə̯ > ẽjnwa > ejma > imʲa
- g > ŋ > ∅, m with vowel nasalization
- g > ɣ > w, j > ∅, vowel changes
- g > k
- g > x > f
- g > g͡ʟ > ˀl in /nɜˈjɔ̯l/ if creaky voice was intended, there seems to be a typo in that word
- jd > ɟ
- jd > jl > j, ʎ, ɬ, ll
- jd > jz, ðð > js, θθ
- jd > ʒ > ʃ > χ
- jd > jn > ɲ
The form with a medial /m/ probably went through a sequence like this:
mnajdug > ɲəjduɣ > j̃əjnuə̯ > ẽjnwa > ejma > imʲa
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Good catch, it should just be [nɜˈjɔl], with no diacritic on [ɔ]. I'd recommend starting by finding groupings, rather than a raw guess to begin
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mæ:ˈɟəu̯k
mʕaɟˈɟu
< ma:ɟˈɟug
ˈmʏθθə
ˈmesɔ̃m
< ˈmes̪s̪om
majˈlu
ˈmɛ:le
ˈneɬyf
ˈmɛχɛ
< ˈmajɬuh
ʎʎũ
jo
< ʎʎõ
ˈmia:
ˈmiɛ
< ˈmija
ˈmɛ:ʝaw
mɛɥ
nɜˈjɔl
iˈjax
< ˈmɛjal
ma:ɟˈɟug
ˈmes̪s̪om
ˈmajɬuh
ʎʎõ
< ma:jSug?
S could be any sibilant or lateral voiceless fricative or affricate.
ˈmija
ˈmɛjal
< ˈmejal
ma:jSug
ˈmejal
< ˈma:jSur? (r > g͡ʟ > g)
That leaves nɔlˈlon, iˈmʲa and ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥.
For nɔlˈlon:
ˈma:jSur > ˈmjɔjɬur > ˈnɔllun > nɔlˈlon
For iˈmʲa:
ˈma:jSur > majˈzu: > məjˈru: > əjˈnwa > iˈmʲa
For ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥:
ˈma:jSur > me̯ajˈzu: > mjajˈru: > mjæjˈnæu̯ > ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥
Initial guess: ˈma:jSur, where S could be any sibilant or lateral voiceless fricative or affricate.
mʕaɟˈɟu
< ma:ɟˈɟug
ˈmʏθθə
ˈmesɔ̃m
< ˈmes̪s̪om
majˈlu
ˈmɛ:le
ˈneɬyf
ˈmɛχɛ
< ˈmajɬuh
ʎʎũ
jo
< ʎʎõ
ˈmia:
ˈmiɛ
< ˈmija
ˈmɛ:ʝaw
mɛɥ
nɜˈjɔl
iˈjax
< ˈmɛjal
ma:ɟˈɟug
ˈmes̪s̪om
ˈmajɬuh
ʎʎõ
< ma:jSug?
S could be any sibilant or lateral voiceless fricative or affricate.
ˈmija
ˈmɛjal
< ˈmejal
ma:jSug
ˈmejal
< ˈma:jSur? (r > g͡ʟ > g)
That leaves nɔlˈlon, iˈmʲa and ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥.
For nɔlˈlon:
ˈma:jSur > ˈmjɔjɬur > ˈnɔllun > nɔlˈlon
For iˈmʲa:
ˈma:jSur > majˈzu: > məjˈru: > əjˈnwa > iˈmʲa
For ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥:
ˈma:jSur > me̯ajˈzu: > mjajˈru: > mjæjˈnæu̯ > ɲæ˩ɲæu˩˥
Initial guess: ˈma:jSur, where S could be any sibilant or lateral voiceless fricative or affricate.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
I wasn't sure how to label the hypothetical subgroups, so I didn't. Anyway, here's my initial attempt:
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
My final proto-form is
Here's my groupings:
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For now I'm only gonna judge the primary groupings, because if the (admittedly messy) primary groupings aren't correct, then how would you get the upper level groups correct :)
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VaptuantaDoi:
As a side note, keep in mind that the lighter colored areas are mountains where movement is near impossible. :)
If you want I can drop the protolanguage's inventory
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Looking forward to it!qwed117 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2022 23:29All fair; when we get primary groupings down I'll upload the map with the clades circled with a particular color, which is what we'll use to name the groupings :)shimobaatar wrote: ↑26 Nov 2022 21:08 I wasn't sure how to label the hypothetical subgroups, so I didn't. Anyway, here's my initial attempt:
Is there a meaningful difference here between "not a clade" and "not quite a clade"? If so, might I ask what the difference is?
Ah, good to know, especially the last part!
I wouldn't object.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
There's a slight difference. If I said "not a clade" it means that none of the languages are unified into a single primary clade. If I wrote "not quite a clade", it means that there is two or more languages that might form one clade together, but not with the other languages
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Good to know!qwed117 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022 10:51There's a slight difference. If I said "not a clade" it means that none of the languages are unified into a single primary clade. If I wrote "not quite a clade", it means that there is two or more languages that might form one clade together, but not with the other languagesshimobaatar wrote: ↑26 Nov 2022 23:48 Is there a meaningful difference here between "not a clade" and "not quite a clade"? If so, might I ask what the difference is?
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Second guess:
Eastern group:
ˈmi.a:
ˈmi.ɛ
ˈmɛχɛ
iˈjax
nɜˈjɔl
ɲæ˩ɲæʊ̯˩˥
ˈmɛ:ʝaw
mɛɥ
< mɛjal
ʎʎũ
iˈmʲa
jo
< ʎmo
mæ:ˈɟəu̯k
mʕaɟˈɟu
ˈmʏθθə
ˈmesɔ̃m
< mæ:ɟ̊ɟ̊ug
ˈmɛ:le
ˈneɬyf
majˈlu
< ˈmajɬɵh
ˈmajɬɵh
mæ:ɟ̊ɟ̊ug
< majɬʊɣ
mɛjal < majl < majlʊ
ʎmo < mʎʊɣ < milʊɣ
majlʊ
milʊɣ
< majlʊɣ
The ancestor of *nɔlˈlon split off from this branch early with a ɣ > ŋ change, while later on it followed changes compatible with the ancestor of *nɜˈjɔl, presumably areal influence. Full evolution path:
*majlʊɣ > majlʊŋ > malloŋ (probable form around first contact with *mɛjal group) > nallon > nɔlˈlon
Protoform: *majɬʊɣ, *ʊ was probably a reduced vowel distinct from *u that could take on a variety of allophones /ʊ ~ u ~ o ~ ɯ ~ ə ~ ɵ/ depending on dialect at some point early in this scenario. In the west it tended to *u, in the south-central to *o, and in the northeast it was often deleted.
Eastern group:
ˈmi.a:
ˈmi.ɛ
ˈmɛχɛ
iˈjax
nɜˈjɔl
ɲæ˩ɲæʊ̯˩˥
ˈmɛ:ʝaw
mɛɥ
< mɛjal
ʎʎũ
iˈmʲa
jo
< ʎmo
mæ:ˈɟəu̯k
mʕaɟˈɟu
ˈmʏθθə
ˈmesɔ̃m
< mæ:ɟ̊ɟ̊ug
ˈmɛ:le
ˈneɬyf
majˈlu
< ˈmajɬɵh
ˈmajɬɵh
mæ:ɟ̊ɟ̊ug
< majɬʊɣ
mɛjal < majl < majlʊ
ʎmo < mʎʊɣ < milʊɣ
majlʊ
milʊɣ
< majlʊɣ
The ancestor of *nɔlˈlon split off from this branch early with a ɣ > ŋ change, while later on it followed changes compatible with the ancestor of *nɜˈjɔl, presumably areal influence. Full evolution path:
*majlʊɣ > majlʊŋ > malloŋ (probable form around first contact with *mɛjal group) > nallon > nɔlˈlon
Protoform: *majɬʊɣ, *ʊ was probably a reduced vowel distinct from *u that could take on a variety of allophones /ʊ ~ u ~ o ~ ɯ ~ ə ~ ɵ/ depending on dialect at some point early in this scenario. In the west it tended to *u, in the south-central to *o, and in the northeast it was often deleted.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
shimobaatar:
Since I see that we're starting to head closer to final reconstructions, the proto-inventory, for the entire family is as follows:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k b d g ʔ/
/s ɬ h/ + /ʲ/
/i u/
/e/
/ɛ ɔ/
/æ/
Also personally, I'm pro-collaboration. I recommend it in fact. You should look at the comments that others get :)
ɶʙ ɞʛ:
Since I see that we're starting to head closer to final reconstructions, the proto-inventory, for the entire family is as follows:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k b d g ʔ/
/s ɬ h/ + /ʲ/
/i u/
/e/
/ɛ ɔ/
/æ/
Also personally, I'm pro-collaboration. I recommend it in fact. You should look at the comments that others get :)
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
New guess: *ˈmɛɬʲhɔɬ
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2
Third attempt:
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