Quick Diachronics Challenge v2

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Quick Diachronics Challenge v2

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Continued from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5853

Opening of previous thread:

The main goal here besides seeing others figuring out the puzzle is how they do so: I want to see the multiple ways a single word can possibly change when given enough time, as it might give me interesting new insights into historical linguistics and the malleability of sounds. So hopefully this'll be as interesting to the challengee as it'll be to the challenger. It's not going to be anything too complex for now (at least I don't think so), so without further ado:

Current challenge:

1 /n͡dáfísḭ̂/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/

2 /n͡dáɸūsḭ̀/
/m͡bét͡sḭ̂/

3 /n͡dá̤ēɕì/
/m͡bét͡ɕì/

4 /oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰/
/ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰/

5 /oˈɾat͡s'ə/
/ˈmɛʈ͡ʂ'ə/

6 /aˈnat͡s'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'i/

7 /aˈnwac'i/
/ˈmjaʈ͡ʂ'ɨ/

8 /oˈnɔ:t͡ɕḭ:/
/ˈmɨ:kʰɨ̰:/

9 /ˈnaɕɕigɨ/
/ˈmi:d͡ʑigɨ/

10 /ˈnɛʑigu/
/ˈme:ʑigu/

11 /ˈnɛsɪk/
/ˈme:ðɪk/

12 /ɔˈdɔn͡zɪk/
/ˈbʌn̪͡d̪ɪk/

13 /uˈdõx/
/ˈɓãx/

14 /ˈodãʃ/
/ˈpɪ̃t'/

15 /ˈhodɛ̃:ʃ/
/ˈɸẽtk/

16 /ˈɸudo:ʃ/
/ˈɸiʃ:/

17 /ˈɸudboʃ/
/ˈpit͡ʃ/

18 /ˈudvosik/
/ˈbiʒ:ik/

19 /ˈudu:ʃic/
/ˈbisac/

20 /ˈuðo:ʒiʃ/
/ˈðiʃiʃ/

21 /ˈulo:ziç/
/ˈd̼isiç/

22 /ˈiluzi:/
/ˈwei̯si:/

23 /ˈʏlrɪk/
/ˈwizɪk/
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2

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My verdict on Shimobaatar's most recent attempt:


1 [ⁿdáfísḭ̂] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
2 [ⁿdáɸūsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
3 [ⁿdá̤ēɕì] - [ᵐbét͡ɕì]
1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
Fully correct.

4 [oˈɾ̃at͡sə̰] - [ˈmaʈ͡ʂə̰]
5 [oˈɾat͡sʼə] - [ˈmɛʈ͡ʂʼə]
6 [aˈnat͡sʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼi]
7 [aˈnwacʼi] - [ˈmjaʈ͡ʂʼɨ]
8 [oˈnɔːt͡ɕḭː] - [ˈmɨːkʰɨ̰ː]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]
First word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.
Second word: 2 consonants and 1 vowel incorrect.

9 [ˈnaɕɕigɨ] - [ˈmiːd͡ʑigɨ]
10 [ˈnɛʑigu] - [ˈmeːʑigu]
11 [ˈnɛsɪk] - [ˈmeːðɪk]
9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
First word: Fully correct.
Second word: 1 consonant incorrect, no contrastive vowel length was in this protoform.

12 [ɔˈdɔⁿzɪk] - [ˈbʌⁿd̪ɪk]
13 [uˈdõx] - [ˈɓãx]
14 [ˈodãʃ] - [ˈpɪ̃tʼ]
15 [ˈhodɛ̃ːʃ] - [ˈɸẽtk]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]
First word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
Second word: 1 missing vowel, 1 incorrect vowel
No independent nasals were in this protoform for these words.

16 [ˈɸudoːʃ] - [ˈɸiʃː]
17 [ˈɸudboʃ] - [ˈpit͡ʃ]
18 [ˈudvosik] - [ˈbiʒːik]
16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]

19 [ˈuduːʃic] - [ˈbisac]
20 [ˈuðoːʒiʃ] - [ˈðiʃiʃ]
21 [ˈuloːziç] - [ˈd̼isiç]

19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
16-18 and 19-21 are not the correct split of 16-21.

22 [ˈiluziː] - [ˈwei̯siː]
23 [ˈʏlrɪk] - [ˈwizɪk]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]
First word: Fully correct
Second word: 2 incorrect vowels.

1-3 [ⁿdáɸsḭ̀] - [ᵐbét͡sḭ̂]
4-8 [oˈɾ̃ɔt͡sʼi] - [ˈmɛkʼɨ]

1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
1-8 is not a correct grouping.

9-11 [ˈnassik] - [ˈmeːd͡zik]
12-15 [ˈodɔnsk] - [ˈbʌn̪t̪k]

9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
No prenasalization is present in these protoforms.

16-18 [ˈɸudwosk] - [ˈbit͡ʃk]
19-21 [ˈudoːzic] - [ˈbisɪc]
22-23 [ˈyluzik] - [ˈwei̯sɪk]

16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel.
Second word: 1 incorrect consonant, 2 incorrect vowels.

1-8 [oˈⁿdawt͡sʼi] - [ˈᵐbekʼɪ]
9-15 [ˈoⁿdɔⁿsik] - [ˈᵐbeⁿd̪ik]
16-23 [ˈɸudwozik] - [ˈbei̯t͡ʃɪk]
1-23 [ˈɸodɔ̃t͡sʼik] - [ˈbẽt̪ʼɪk]
First word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 missing consonant
Second word: 2 incorrect consonants, 1 incorrect vowel
No ejectives existed in the original protoforms.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge v2

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I started making an excel spreadsheet with the forms, but honestly in this case it is not exactly a useful use of my time, since this has been dead for like five months.

My guess right now is something like *hu'ⁿdɔsiku *'mɛ:ciku.

I know that there's sort of been a drop in activity in this kind of thread. I'd recommend that we go back to using maps, and opt for clearer treeings with clear innovatory characteristics.
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