My private romanization of Arabic
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My private romanization of Arabic
What do you think of it ?
VOWELS
/a/ - a, /a:/ - aa
/i/ - i, /i:/ - ii
/u/ - u, /u:/ - uu
CONSONANTS
/b/ -b
/t/ - t
/d/ - d
/tˁ/ - tv
/dˁ ~ ɮˁ/ - dv
/ʤ ~ ɟ/ - j
/k/ - k
/q/ - q
/Ɂ/ - e
/f/ - f
/θ/ - ś
/ð/ - ź
/ðˁ/ - źv
/s/ - s
/z/ - z
/sˁ/ - sv
/ʃ/ - ş
/x/ - x
/ɣ/ - g
/ħ/ - ħ
/ʕ/ - ġ
/h/ - h
/m/ - m
/n/ - n
/l/ - l
/r/ - r
/w/ - w
/j/ - j
VOWELS
/a/ - a, /a:/ - aa
/i/ - i, /i:/ - ii
/u/ - u, /u:/ - uu
CONSONANTS
/b/ -b
/t/ - t
/d/ - d
/tˁ/ - tv
/dˁ ~ ɮˁ/ - dv
/ʤ ~ ɟ/ - j
/k/ - k
/q/ - q
/Ɂ/ - e
/f/ - f
/θ/ - ś
/ð/ - ź
/ðˁ/ - źv
/s/ - s
/z/ - z
/sˁ/ - sv
/ʃ/ - ş
/x/ - x
/ɣ/ - g
/ħ/ - ħ
/ʕ/ - ġ
/h/ - h
/m/ - m
/n/ - n
/l/ - l
/r/ - r
/w/ - w
/j/ - j
Last edited by LetoAtreides on 16 Aug 2010 13:05, edited 2 times in total.
Re: My private romanization of Arabic
Most of characters shown up as numbers for me, but for what dialect is this exactly for? (or is it MSA?)
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Re: My private romanization of Arabic
It is for MSA or for Koranic Arabic. I don't know much about non-standard varieties.Arzemju wrote:Most of characters shown up as numbers for me, but for what dialect is this exactly for? (or is it MSA?)
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In my opinion, a digraph with <v> for pharyngealization is very unnatural. Also,
That's even weirder./Ɂ/ - e
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Agreed.Wanderer wrote:In my opinion, a digraph with <v> for pharyngealization is very unnatural. Also,
That's even weirder./Ɂ/ - e
Also, why no uses of apostrophes? seems better for the Glottal stop than <e>, most of us will misread it as /e/
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Re: My private romanization of Arabic
Most romanizations of Arabic use apostophes for glottal stops and dots below letters for emphatic consonants. I wanted to introduce some variation.Arzemju wrote:Agreed.Wanderer wrote:In my opinion, a digraph with <v> for pharyngealization is very unnatural. Also,
That's even weirder./Ɂ/ - e
Also, why no uses of apostrophes? seems better for the Glottal stop than <e>, most of us will misread it as /e/
The <e> is skipped between vowels and in word-initial position (islaam not eislaam), so there are fewer possibilities of confusion.
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I don't think the use of <v> makes any sense at all. Also, the uses of the acute accent all seem very random and unusual.
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Re: My private romanization of Arabic
There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives.
As for emphatic consonants, how about using <ť ď ṡ ż> instead of the v-digraphs ?
As for emphatic consonants, how about using <ť ď ṡ ż> instead of the v-digraphs ?
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So, there are acute accents in this orthography, but there aren't??LetoAtreides wrote:There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives.
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Only two of them, yet you're talking as if there were thousands.sano wrote:So, there are acute accents in this orthography, but there aren't??LetoAtreides wrote:There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives.
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Really?LetoAtreides wrote:Only two of them, yet you're talking as if there were thousands.sano wrote:So, there are acute accents in this orthography, but there aren't??LetoAtreides wrote:There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives.
That sounds like I'm implying something unrealistic and absurd to you? Maybe I should have said both instead of all, but I think your reaction is a bit much TBH.sano wrote:Also, the uses of the acute accent all seem very random and unusual.
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Re: My private romanization of Arabic
Why? I mean, aside from the very counterintuitive (and unæsthetically pleasing) /θ/ - ś and /ð/ - ź, you have 'j' twice, and for rather different sounds. Again, I find that rather counterintuitive. Really, though, I just think it's ugly.LetoAtreides wrote:/tˁ/ - tv
/dˁ ~ ɮˁ/ - dv
/ʤ ~ ɟ/ - j
/Ɂ/ - e
/θ/ - ś
/ð/ - ź
/ðˁ/ - źv
/sˁ/ - sv
/ħ/ - ħ
/ʕ/ - ġ
/j/ - j
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Re: My private romanization of Arabic
I made a mistake, it ought to be <y> for /j/.Thakowsaizmu wrote:you have 'j' twice, and for rather different sounds
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Sano has problems with the concept of exceptions. It's okay! He's got a condition.LetoAtreides wrote:Only two of them, yet you're talking as if there were thousands.sano wrote:So, there are acute accents in this orthography, but there aren't??LetoAtreides wrote:There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives.
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Irrelevant to his self-contradiction and to this discussion.
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Actually it's totally relevant as it's the reason you're seeing the imaginary contradiction.
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No, it is irrelevant because this: "There are no acute accents in this orthography, except of <ś ź> for interdental fricatives." is a contradiction...to say there are none of something and then list them is contradictory.MrKrov wrote:Actually it's totally relevant as it's the reason you're seeing the imaginary contradiction.
If he had said instead, 'There are only two, used for interdental fricatives.' when he was voicing his protest to my statement of: "Also, the uses of the acute accent all seem very random and unusual." then I would not have asked: "So, there are acute accents in this orthography, but there aren't??"
The use of the word "except" does not nullify or even reduce a contradiction.
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Uh yeah it would. That's kinda what an exception is. Like I said: Sano doesn't grasp exceptions.
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I think you have mistaken me for the topic.MrKrov wrote:Uh yeah it would. That's kinda what an exception is. Like I said: Sano doesn't grasp exceptions.
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Is "I see nothing, except of these six white roses" a self-contradicting statement?
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