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k1234567890y wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019 06:18 English clan and English plant

Nah, really?

GoshDiggityDangit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2019 06:24

k1234567890y wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019 06:18 English clan and English plant

Nah, really?

It's true! Old Irish had no /p/, and before it ended up common enough in loanwords to be borrowed as it is, it was usually borrowed as /k/.

"G-d" "Futile"
Both from PIE *ǵʰew. In Latin it got the meaning "Leaky", and then in Old French "Pointless". In PGrm, it meant "One for whom Libations are poured"

So, according to Aszev's post in another thread, we have:

cavāre 'excavate', 'hollow out', 'perforate', 'pierce'
kaveri 'friend', 'buddy'

Xonen wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020 16:19 So, according to Aszev's post in another thread, we have:

cavāre 'excavate', 'hollow out', 'perforate', 'pierce'
kaveri 'friend', 'buddy'

As I understood it, the cognate would be the verb kaveerata, with kaveri being originally unrelated but later affecting the sense of kaveerata, shifting it from 'chat' to 'be friends with'.

worm ~ червоний 'red'

Assuming that the PIE roots *kʷŕ̥mis and *wŕ̥mis (both meaning 'worm') are related.

If so, it wouldn't be the only such pair..... wiktionary also lists kʷerb- and werb- both meaning "to turn, bend".

Pabappa wrote: ↑04 Feb 2020 07:56 If so, it wouldn't be the only such pair..... wiktionary also lists kʷerb- and werb- both meaning "to turn, bend".

It that where the word "swerve" ultimates from?

Khemehekis wrote: ↑04 Feb 2020 07:57

Pabappa wrote: ↑04 Feb 2020 07:56 If so, it wouldn't be the only such pair..... wiktionary also lists kʷerb- and werb- both meaning "to turn, bend".

It that where the word "swerve" ultimates from?

Probably, .... I dont see that particular connection made in wiktionary, but wiktionary lists "swipe" and "wipe" as cognates without explanation (note: you have to go back to the PIE to see them unified, as they were separate in proto-Germanic) ... and interestingly enough the PIE root reconstructed there is ksweybʰ-, so perhaps there is a sporadic process of not just s-mobile but also k-mobile, or at least initial /k/-deletion before /w/. 'Tis a puzzlement.

Are Quebecois “poutine” and Acadian “boudin” cognates?
(They certainly don’t have the same meaning!)

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Somebody thinks they’re also cognate with English “pudding”. Are they?

eldin raigmore wrote: ↑09 Feb 2020 07:07 Are Quebecois “poutine” and Acadian “boudin” cognates?
(They certainly don’t have the same meaning!)

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Somebody thinks they’re also cognate with English “pudding”. Are they?

Apparently, on all counts, possibly yes.

The origin of poutine is unclear, but it looks like most sources agree it probably comes from French pouding ("any dish formed from putting the leftovers of a place such as a bakery together, and mixing them all into one", with the choice "poutine" relating to the "mess" of the dish), from English pudding, originally a kind of sausage, or any mix of meat in an animals stomach (see "haggis" as the "chieftain o' the pudding-race"), itself from French boudin, with the same or similar meaning (now meaning something along the lines of "black pudding"), which is where Acadian boudin comes from.

sangi39 wrote: ↑09 Feb 2020 17:53 Apparently, on all counts, possibly yes.

Thank you, sangi39!

"Yak" :zho: 羊 yáng "sheep"
The :zho: is from PST*g-ya(k/ŋ), which meant "domestic animals whose hair can be used for cloth", which also gave rise to old གཡག /gjak/ "Bull Yak", which in some modern Tibetan languages is pronounced /jak/, which was borrowed into European languages.

English: tambourine, banjo, and mandolin.

Isn't tambourine from French tambour, ultimately from Arabic?

alynnidalar wrote: ↑29 Mar 2020 18:59 Isn't tambourine from French tambour, ultimately from Arabic?

Sal laid out their theory in this post. I can't find anything for the pandoura <-> tanbur connection, but the connection between pandoura and mandolin is documented

English be
Khmer ភព /pʰup/ "planet, world"

I am particularly fond of the Khmer word here not because of what it sounds like in English, but because it's a pretty good match for Poswa's pwupp- "planet, moon". But yes, /pʰup/ is a funny word all on its own. There is a Cambodian restaurant called Peephuptmei near where I grew up and Ive considered calling them just to see how they pronounce the name but I dont think Im going to do that.

Pabappa wrote: ↑04 May 2020 05:05 English be
Khmer ភព /pʰup/ "planet, world"

I am particularly fond of the Khmer word here not because of what it sounds like in English, but because it's a pretty good match for Poswa's pwupp- "planet, moon". But yes, /pʰup/ is a funny word all on its own. There is a Cambodian restaurant called Peephuptmei near where I grew up and Ive considered calling them just to see how they pronounce the name but I dont think Im going to do that.

I'd presume /pʰup/ is from Sanskrit bhumi then right?

oh, I didnt link to Wiktionary. sorry. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%9E%97%E1%9E%96 says its from Pali /bhava/, which comes from Sanskrit https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%A ... F#Sanskrit . But bhumi would be still a cognate.

qwed117 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2020 23:41

alynnidalar wrote: ↑29 Mar 2020 18:59 Isn't tambourine from French tambour, ultimately from Arabic?

Sal laid out their theory in this post. I can't find anything for the pandoura <-> tanbur connection, but the connection between pandoura and mandolin is documented

Grove mentions in passing the the two words are related, but I can't find any proof of this.

However, it would seem an overwhelming coincidence: the two instrument families (tanbura vs pandura), and from adjacent areas, and their names differ only by the swapping of a pair of POAs. I was wrong in that post, though: the origin is probably Asia rather than Greece, as the Greek pandura only appeared immediately after Alexander's conquest of Persia, and presumably bringing back of tanburas. Presumably, Greeks learnt the name of the new instrument second hand, and malapropped it by analogy with mythological Pandora ("all the gifts").


Now, the other confusing factor is that... well, no, I guess this bit should go in the false cognates thread...