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Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 18 Jun 2020 16:07
by Salmoneus
English: horde
Urdu (and English): Urdu

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 28 Jul 2020 23:00
by qwed117
:hun: Hungarian ezer “thousand” ~ :ind: Tamil āyiram “thousand”~ :eng: English mile

All from PIE *sm-g’éslom “one-thousand”

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 15 Oct 2020 11:02
by k1234567890y
English bite and English fibre (borrowed from Latin fibra)

both of them are from Proto-Indo-European *bʰeyd- ("to split")

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 04 Dec 2020 21:23
by Shemtov
:alb: <dyqan> /dyc͡çan/ "Store" Yiddish /duxann̩/ "to preform the priestly blessings" both ultimately from Aramaic /dukanaʔ/ "Platform"

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 26 Jan 2021 08:20
by k1234567890y
English cybernetics(from which the prefix cyber- is derived) and government

both of cybernetics and government are ultimately derived from Ancient Greek κυβερνάω "I steer".

p.s. in modern society the government is sometimes metaphorised as a machine, which kinda is another connection between "government" and "cybernetics".

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 12 Apr 2021 19:57
by k1234567890y
English orphan and robot

both words are ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *h₃órbʰos “orphan” or its predecessor *h₃erbʰ “to change or evolve status”

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 12 Apr 2021 20:47
by Iyionaku
k1234567890y wrote: 12 Apr 2021 19:57 English orphan and robot

both words are ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *h₃órbʰos “orphan” or its predecessor *h₃erbʰ “to change or evolve status”
Also, German Arbeit "work" also derives from the same root.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 12 Jun 2021 03:50
by k1234567890y
English Wales, Gaul, Walloon, Wallachia

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 12 Jun 2021 09:30
by Flavia
Polish "córka" /tsurka/
Russian "doč'" /dotS/

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 12 Jun 2021 23:28
by Salmoneus
k1234567890y wrote: 12 Jun 2021 03:50 English Wales, Gaul, Walloon, Wallachia
Also Cornwall.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 13 Jun 2021 01:00
by k1234567890y
Salmoneus wrote: 12 Jun 2021 23:28
k1234567890y wrote: 12 Jun 2021 03:50 English Wales, Gaul, Walloon, Wallachia
Also Cornwall.
yeah you are right

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 28 May 2022 12:51
by qwed117
Something that I found out today was that 'hour' 'year' and 'horoscope' are all related. Decided to check if someone had already got this one, and indeedy do:
Celi-Folia wrote: 02 Aug 2013 20:58 Here's an example of the opposite situation, where one might not expect these to be cognate but they are :XD

hour ·· Latin hora "hour, time, season" ·· Greek ὥρα "season" ·· PIE *yor-a- ·· PIE *yor-/*yer- "year, season" ·· PIE *yer-o- ·· Proto-Germanic *jæram ·· Old English gear ·· year
The Greek route was also introduced into Sanskrit, and thus to Burmese ဟူးရား (/hújá/) 'astrology'

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 01 Nov 2022 10:33
by VaptuantaDoi
"pumpkin", "melon" and "apricot" all share a common PIE root *pekʷ- "ripen":
  • *pékʷ-i̯e > Greek πέπτω "ripen" > πέπων "large melon" > Latin pepō > Middle French pompon > English pumpkin
  • *pékʷ-et-i > Proto-Italic *kʷekʷō > Latin QUOQUŌ > COQUŌ > PRÆCOQUUM "early-ripening" > PRÆCOCIA > Greek πραικόκιον > Byzantine Greek βερικοκκία "apricot tree" > Arabic الْبَرْقُوق‎ (al-barqūq) "plums" > Catalan albercoc > abrecoc > English abrecock > apricock > apricot
  • *pékʷ-ont-s > Greek πέπων "ripe" > μηλοπέπων "ripe apple" > Latin MĒLOPEPŌNEM "type of pumpkin" > MĒLŌNEM > Old French melon > English melon
Not sure if they exactly qualify as cognates, but they're at least interesting.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 08 Nov 2022 20:17
by k1234567890y
Chinese 珍珠 (Middle Chinese pronounciation: /ʈˠiɪn t͡ɕɨo/) "pearl" v.s. Hungarian gyöngy "pearl"

The Hungarian word is borrowed from Turkic, which is in turned borrowed from Chinese.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 14 Dec 2022 04:33
by Shemtov
k1234567890y wrote: 08 Nov 2022 20:17 borrowed from Turkic, which is in turned borrowed from Chinese.
In the opposite Direction: :vie: thiên /tʰiən/"Heaven [used only in compounds]" :mon: тэнгэр /tʰeŋ.ɡer/ "Sky; Heaven; Weather"
PrTurkic *teŋri "Heaven; Tengri
>(borrowed via Xiongnu) Old :zho: 撐犁 *ṭhāŋ-rə̄>Late Old :zho: 天 *tʰi:n "Heaven"> Middle :zho: 天 *tʰen> (Borrowed) :vie: thiên
>(Borrowed) PrMongolic *teŋgeri>Middle/Classical :mon: /tenggeri/> :mon: тэнгэр

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 15 Dec 2022 15:08
by Emanresu
:lva: salds (sweet)
:eng: salt
:eng: sauce
:eng: halogen

all come from PIE séh₂ls, which means salt.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 17 Dec 2022 17:09
by Arayaz
English "stile" and OCS stĭza "path"

Both from PIE *steygʰ- "go, march, climb"

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 17 Dec 2022 20:52
by Man in Space
Üdj wrote: 17 Dec 2022 17:09 English "stile" and OCS stĭza "path"

Both from PIE *steygʰ- "go, march, climb"
Like in "turnstile"?

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 18 Dec 2022 15:21
by Arayaz
Man in Space wrote: 17 Dec 2022 20:52
Üdj wrote: 17 Dec 2022 17:09 English "stile" and OCS stĭza "path"

Both from PIE *steygʰ- "go, march, climb"
Like in "turnstile"?
Yes, probably.

Re: Surprising cognates

Posted: 11 Jan 2023 22:39
by criminalmammal
Spanish quejarse "to complain, quarrel"
English quash "to defeat, annul"
Yiddish קוועטשן‎ kvetshn "to squeeze, pinch, complain" (→ English kvetch "to complain incessantly")