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Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 07 Aug 2018 18:15
by GrandPiano
puppy and
puppet
Puppy is likely from Middle French
poupée "doll, toy", and puppet is apparently from Middle French
poupette, the diminutive of poupée.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 21 Oct 2018 03:02
by Shemtov
Per the False Cognate thread:
<what> and <quote>.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 23 Oct 2018 16:46
by Nortaneous
oh are we doing loanwords now. we can do loanwords
Palauan bangderang 'flag' ~ Latin funda 'sling'
Palauan barb 'valve' ~ Old Armenian gełdz 'yew tree'
Palauan kusarang 'spoon' ~ English cochlea
Palauan hon 'book' ~ Korean jabonjuui 'capitalism'
Tocharian B tmāne 'myriad' ~ banzai ~ Tyumen (city in Russia)
Tocharian B onkolma 'elephant' ~ Zhuang ngaz 'ivory' (probably)
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 03 Nov 2018 13:19
by Birdlang
Portuguese bandeira, Spanish bandera —> Indonesian/Malay/Javanese bendera, Palauan bangderang, Tagalog bandila/bandera, Cebuano bandila, Sundanese bandera, English banner.
Sanskrit kalapati —> Sundanese japati, Indonesian and Javanese merpati, Tagalog kalapati, Cebuano salampati, other cognates in other Malayo-Polynesian languages, Lithuanian balandis (?), Hindi/Sindhi/Urdu kabūtar.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 14 Dec 2018 08:10
by Shemtov
Yonder
Jener "That" from PGm *jainaz.
And some say that *jainaz is related to the Latin root that gave us the "Identical/Identity" family, from PIE *i "DEM"
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 12 Jan 2019 23:55
by GrandPiano
If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 15 Jan 2019 23:10
by Sequor
GrandPiano wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019 23:55
If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
Along similar lines:
Latin
figere 'to pierce; fasten' ~ Spanish
hincarse 'to kneel down' ~ English
dig
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 27 Apr 2019 18:15
by Pabappa
how about
Chevrolet and
cabriolet? Two words for the same object from the same ultimate root word, meaning "goat", yet they acquired their modern meanings in two very different ways, one a descriptive noun for transportation and the other a surname of a man who just by chance happened to work manufacturing early automobiles.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cabriolet#French
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chevrolet#French
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 28 Apr 2019 23:44
by Shemtov
Aceite "oil"
/zajit/ "olive"
Apparently, the Arabic cognate narrowed in Andalusian to all oils, and was borrowed into
. It's especially surprising when my
book used it for "motor oil"
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 29 Apr 2019 16:23
by WeepingElf
Well, 'oil' has undergone the same kind of shift in English.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 09 May 2019 15:34
by CivilixXXX
Król (king) and ziarno (grain)
PL król < PS korljь < OHG Karl< PG *karilaz < PIE *ǵerh > PIE ǵr̥h₂nóm > PS zьrno > PL ziarno
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 20 May 2019 14:11
by Sglod
Hell,
cojones, and
cilium. All ultimately from PIE
*ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 21 May 2019 18:05
by Pabappa
Sglod wrote: ↑20 May 2019 14:11
Hell,
cojones, and
cilium. All ultimately from PIE
*ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!
nice. I used to believe that
cielo "Heaven" was related, but it's not true.
_______
orphan =
robot , because they both traditionally work hard with no pay. Also
Arbeit "work".
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 07 Jul 2019 02:14
by k1234567890y
Chinese 蜜(pronounciation in Middle Chinese: /miɪt̚/) "honey", English mead and Russian медведь "bear"(and its cognates in other Slavic languages), all of them contain a part that is from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).
The Chinese word is an ancient borrowing from Tocharian, which is from Proto-Tocharian *ḿət(ə), from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).
The English word is an inhereted word from proto-Indo-European. The English word is from Old English medu, from Proto-Germanic *meduz, from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).
The Russian word is from Proto-Slavic *medvědь, which is a compound of Proto-Slavic *medъ (“honey”) + *(j)ěsti (“to eat”), and the Proto-Slavic word *medъ is from Proto-Balto-Slavic *medús, from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 01 Sep 2019 15:18
by Dormouse559
coriander and
cilantro
Okay, this pair probably isn't surprising for that many people, but I had a big "Aha!" moment when a cooking show mentioned they come from the same plant.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 02 Sep 2019 04:17
by eldin raigmore
Dormouse559 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019 15:18
coriander and
cilantro
Okay, this pair probably isn't surprising for that many people, but I had a big "Aha!" moment when a cooking show mentioned they come from the same plant.
How are they cognates?
Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 02 Sep 2019 04:43
by Dormouse559
They both come from Latin
coriandrum; the former through Anglo-Norman/French, the latter through Spanish. When the show mentioned the botanical connection, I began to notice the similar consonants and vowels and decided to investigate.
eldin raigmore wrote:Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?
I don't know. Are they?
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 03 Sep 2019 15:25
by Xonen
Dormouse559 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019 04:43eldin raigmore wrote:Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?
I don't know. Are they?
According to
Wiktionary, yes.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 04 Sep 2019 22:04
by Frislander
Of course there's all the cognates thrown up by the Plains Algonquian languages like Arapaho and Cheyenne, for instance:
Ar bíí "buffalo" ~ Ch mehe ~ Cree môswa "moose"
Ar henéécee "buffalo bull" ~ Ch hotóá‘e ~ Cree iyâpêw "buck"
Ar nóubee "fly" ~ Cree sakimêw
Ar cóóx "Comanche" ~ Ch notse "foreigner" ~ Cree pwât "Sioux"
Ar hébes "beaver" ~ Ch hóma‘e ~ Cree amisk
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 02 Oct 2019 06:18
by k1234567890y
English clan and English plant