Lao Kou wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 01:53
Zé do Rock wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 00:24RITE
So ar u for or agenst reforming inglishe spelling, and if in favor, wat tipe of reform would u aprove of?
"Are you for or agin us?" puts it in such dire terms. I'm not diametrically opposed to reform an sich (though the term "updating" sounds a little less authoritarian than "reform"). But to rehash the same ol' issues: there are at least five countries/communities who claim English as their L1 -- whose standard will
you, O Grand One (or O Grand TESS), choose as the standard for placing those vowels, or make a mishmash of standards, making everyone cranky? The Webster standards (?) for American spelling, I guess when English spelling was still in flux, sets us apart from the rest of the Commonwealth in terms of spelling (colour/color; centre/center) -- fortunately, these aren't/weren't cataclysmic changes in the end, thanks to Empire -- but it's an unnecessary dual standard.)
Rechtschreibreform: you lose a correctly-spelling generation when you do that, with even minor tweaking. The changes you propose are rather drastic, by comparison.
<aprove> but not <apruve>, really? If you want to opine on English spelling foibles, it would be more convincing if you pronounced it correctly.
EU
Mi no prezidento Bush, "o vu pro nu o vu contra nu". In Deutshland 50% du populacion is pro reform, ma solo 20% was pro el implementee reform. E wen mi cuestionou la pople si lis vole "fuchs" e "wachs" reformee tu "fux" e "wax", plus o minus 80% was pro lu. So lu depende du reform...
TESS ha membris na toto svet, e nixi ha sei la House Stile funcciona no pro lis. Lis ali acorda dat ai do standard. No pok australis pro exemplo spik a dialecto dat is similare tu cockney, ma lu no wat lis profesa na scol, et is no como niusis spik. Meme si multi sei "noit" pro "night", lis ali acorda ki lu shalau bi "nite" (o "niet", "nít" o wat oni uza tu reprezenta /nait/).
Colour/color, etc: Lu realik a nenesesitale doble standard, e coze dat nu scrive 'cullor, program, center'. Dat funcciona pro nord amerikis et oso pro la Commonwelth.
Mai wunschdeutsch ("wishu-deutsh", favorito deutsh) was la rezultu de plebisitos in mai shou lezus, among 20 000 pople. Lu change no multu, ma lu elimina H's et E's ki longize la vocal - oni nesesita no lus, lorske corto vocales is fologee bai doble consonantes. E sted having 54 coma reglas as la tradicional ortografie (ki meme mouste profesis sabou no) o 9 as dopo la reform, ai no reglas - oni uza comas segon su sentu, ma bes a mau conciens. Nau mi startou con ultradoitsh, e dat is a rada fonetico sistem. No poco jurnales scrivou dat auminu dat reform vou bi consistent...
La problema co la neu deutsh ortografie reforma was ki lu was super neconsistent: pro exemplo, lis ha sei "Vamos deutshiz el autlandiano vordes A, B, C, ma no la vordes D, E, F, e la vordes G, H et I can bi deutshizee, ma lus mus no". E si oni mus look a longo vord lista tu cheke si la vord can, mus o can no bi deutshizee, lu no realik a simplizacion. La sentensa ki lis cuotou moustli de mi was: "Solo deutshe ciensis ha reusi faz a tale complicato simplizacion."
Aprove - mi suponau no dat yu pronunse la vord falsli, solo coze yu scrive lu con O. La House Stile solo trata la corto vocales a, e, i, o, u e la longo vocales a, e, i, o, u. /u:/ is non unu de lus, so lu stei as lu is. In RITE lu stan 'apruve', ma mi encora na letra E, wen mi veni tu U, lu va bin 'apruve'.
ENGLISH (the spell-chequer said the text does knot have any miss takes)
Eye am knot president Bush, "either ewe are four us or ewe are against us". In Germany, 50% of the population are four a reform, butt only 20% were four the implemented reform. And when eye asked people whether they wood like two have "fuchs" and "wachs" reformed too "fux" (fox) and "wax" (wax), moor ore less 80% were four it. Sew it depends of the reform...
TESS has members from all over the world, and know won has said that the House Stile does knot work four them (altho the ones that have own schemes, mostly much moor phonetic, think the solution should bee a different won). They all agree that there 2 standards. Quite a few australians for instance speak a dialect that is similar to cockney, butt this is knot what is taught in school, and this is knot what newsreaders speak. Even if many say "noit" four "night", they all agree that it should be "nite" (or "niet", "nít" or whatever they use to represent /nait/).
It is in deed an unnecessary dual standard, witch is why wee spell cullor, program, center. Works four the north americans and the commonwealth two.
My wunschdeutsch (wish-german, favorite german) was the result of "referendums" in my show readings, among 20 000 people. It does knot change much, butt it does take H's and E's that make the vowel long - they're knot needed, since short vowels are followed bye double consonants. And instead of having 54 comma rules as in traditional spelling (witch even most teachers didnt no) or 9 rules as after the reform, there are know rules for it - yew use the commas bye feeling, as yew have all ways done, butt without a bad conscience. Now eye started with ultradoitsh, and that's a rather phonetic system. Quite a few newspapers wrote that at least my reform would be consistent...
The problem with the knew german spelling reform was that it was very inconsistent: four instance, they said "let's germanize the lonewords A, B and C, butt knot the words D, E, F, and the words G, H and I can bee germanized, butt don't have two". And if ewe have too look at a long list of words two cheque if the word can, must or cant bee germanized, it is really knot a simplification. The sentence they quoted most often from me was: "Only german scientists managed two make such a complicated simplification".
Aprove - eye wood knot assume yew pronounce the word the wrong weigh, just bee cause yew spell it with O. The House Stile only treats the short vowels a, e, i, o, u and the long vowels a, e, i, o, u. /u:/ is nun of them (short U is /V/, long U is /ju:/), so it remains as it is. In RITE it bee comes 'apruve', but eye am still at the letter E, when eye cum two U it will bee 'apruve'.