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Future in past

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:con: Lóko baáṣat (High language)

Ia tháme ion tálteh.
[this.here man MASC-have-PST fight-INF]
[ja tʰáme jon tálteh]
This man was supposed to fight.

Ia tháme méral báṣatal ion tálteh.

[this.here I-POSS-COM brother-COM MASC-have-PST fight-INF]
[ja tʰáme méral báʃatal jon tálteh]
This man was supposed to fight together with my brother.

Ia tháme mérar báṣatar-nákhaa ion tálteh.
[this.here man I-POSS-DAT brother-DAT-against MASC-have-PST fight-INF]
[ja tʰáme mérar báʃatar nákʰaː jon tálteh]
This man was supposed to fight against my brother.

Ia tháme ar méra báṣat baión sélda tálteh.
[this.here man and I-POSS brother MASC.PL-have-PST RECIPR.PRON fight-INF]
[ja tʰáme ar méra báʃat bajón sélda tálteh]
This man and my brother were supposed to fight each other.
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Re: Future in past

Post by Dormouse559 »

Silvish expresses future in the past with allé "to go" in the imperfect followed by the infinitive of the content verb. Without the title of the thread, I might've used a different construction, since both English and Silvish distinguish "was supposed to" from my default future-in-past form "was going to".


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Chett eumou allouye s' batre.
[ɕɛˈtø.mu ʔɑˈlu.jə ˈzba.tʁə]
DEM man go-IPF 3REFL fight-INF

This man was supposed to fight.

Chett eumou allouye s' batre avé mû frêri.
[ɕɛˈtø.mu ʔɑˈlu.jə ˈzba.tʁə ʔəˈve myˈfʁɛː.ʁi]
DEM man go-IPF 3REFL fight-INF with 1S-POSS.OBL.M brother-OBL

This man was supposed to fight together with my brother.

Chett eumou allouye s' batre contra mmû frêri.
[ɕɛˈtø.mu ʔɑˈlu.jə ˈzba.tʁə kɔ̃n.tʁɑ̃m.myˈfʁɛː.ʁi]
DEM man go-IPF 3REFL fight-INF against 1S-POSS.OBL.M brother-OBL

This man was supposed to fight against my brother.

Chett eumou i mmi frere allouye s' batre l' un contra ll' âtri.
[ɕɛˈtø.mu ʔɛ̃m.miˈfʁe.ʁə ʔɑˈlu.jə ˈzba.tʁə ˈlœ̃ŋ kɔ̃n.tʁɑˈlɑː.tʁi]
DEM man and 1S-POSS.M.N brother go-IPF 3REFL fight-INF DEF one against DEF other-OBL.M

This man and my brother were supposed to fight each other.
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Re: Future in past

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Kankonian

Ham wiri mazinosen.
this man fight-FUT-PST
This man was going to fight.

Ham wiri mazinosen hel zhered ad is.
this man fight-FUT-PST with brother to 1s
This man was going to fight together with my brother.

Ham wiri mazinosen mead zhered ad is.
this man fight-FUT-PST against brother to 1s
This man was going to fight against my brother.

Ham wiri mui zhered ad is mazinosen *asig.
this man and brother to 1s fight-FUT-PST RECIP
This man and my brother were going to fight each other.

I've translated the English as "going to fight", since that's how the Kankonian future-in-past is translated.
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Re: Future in past

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Casia uses an imminent aspect to show that an action is about to happen. I am assuming that these take place in the far past.

This man was supposed to fight.

Je aeb keo-ezens.

/ɥi aeθ keoɦɨɮens/

this man.SG.ABS. OBLIG.DUR.ATEL.INTRANS.fight.FP.IMM

This man was supposed to fight together with my brother.

Je aeb eaq monb keo-ezens.

/ɥi aeθ eaç munθ keoɦɨɮens/

this man.SG.ABS.DEF brother.SG.INSTR.DEF 1.SG.DEF.GEN OBLIG.ACT.INTRANS.fight.FP.IMM

This man was supposed to fight against my brother.

Je aeb keo-ezens earx monb.

/ɥi aeθ keoɦɨɮens earx munθ/

this man.SG.ERG.DEF OBLIG.ACT.INTRANS.fight.FP.IMM brother.SG.ABS.AFF 1.SG.DEF.GEN

This man and my brother were supposed to fight each other.

Je aeb eax monb keo-ezens.

/ɥi aeθ eax munθ keoɦɨɮens /

this man.SG.ERG.DEF brother.SG.ERG.DEF 1.SG.DEF.GEN OBLIG.ACT.INTRANS.fight.FP.IMM
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Re: Future in past

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:con: Yélian

Vat broya yiraperblodet.
[ˈvɐ‿ˈbɾoːʃɐ ɕɨɾɐpəɾˈbloːdət]
DEM man PST-PROP-INGR-fight-3SG
This man should have gone to fight.

Vat broya yiraperucanblodet fecun reo namo.
[vɐ‿ˈbɾoːʃɐ ɕɨɾɐpəˌɾuːkɐɱˈbloːdət ˈɸeːkʉn ˈɾeː.o ˈnaːmo]
DEM man PST-PROP-INGR-together-fight-3SG with 1SG.POSS brother
This man should have gone to fight with my brother.

Vat broya yiraperblodet evan reo namo.
[vɐ‿ˈbɾoːʃɐ ɕɨɾɐpəɾˈbloːdət ˈeːʋɐn ˈɾeː.o ˈnaːmo]
DEM man PST-PROP-INGR-fight-3SG against 1SG.POSS brother
This man should have gone to fight against my brother.

Vat broya è reo namo yiraperblodet pès evaneʻi.
[vɐ‿ˈbɾoːʃɐ ɛ ˈɾeː.o ˈnaːmo ɕɨɾɐpəɾˈbloːdə‿pɛs ˌeʋɐˈneːʔi]
DEM man and 1SG.POSS brother PST-PROP-INGR-fight-3SG towards one_another
This man and my brother were supposed to fight each other.
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Re: Future in past

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:con: Rireinutire

siku kave yuneta soukive:
/ˈsiku ˈkɑve ˈjunetɑ ˈsoukive/
siku kave yune-ta sou-ki-ve ||
this.R.NOM woman.NOM fight-INF have.to-PST-HSY ||

This woman was supposed to fight.

siku kave mano neneña yuneta soukive:
/ˈsiku ˈkɑve ˈmɑno ˈneneŋɑ ˈjunetɑ ˈsoukive/
siku kave ma-no nene-ña yune-ta sou-ki-ve ||
this.R.NOM woman.NOM 1S-GEN birthsister-COM fight-INF have.to-PST-HSY ||

This woman was supposed to fight together with my sister.

siku kave mano nenena vasaña yuneta soukive:
/ˈsiku ˈkɑve ˈmɑno ˈnenenɑ ˈvɑsɑŋɑ ˈjunetɑ ˈsoukive/
siku kave ma-no nene-na vasaña yune-ta sou-ki-ve ||
this.R.NOM woman.NOM 1S-GEN birthsister-PTV against fight-INF have.to-PST-HSY ||

This woman was supposed to fight against my sister.

to siku kave to mano nene tositosina vasaña yuneta soukive:
/to ˈsiku ˈkɑve to ˈmɑno ˈnene ˈtosiˌtosinɑ ˈvɑsɑŋɑ ˈjunetɑ ˈsoukive/
to siku kave to ma-no nene tosi-tosi-na vasaña yune-ta sou-ki-ve ||
and this.R.NOM woman.NOM and 1S-GEN birthsister.NOM other-other-PTV against fight-INF have.to-PST-HSY ||

This woman and my sister were supposed to fight each other.

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