Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Дорообо again, loftyD!
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Дорообо! Бүгүн хайдах олороҕут?
Yes, the material I'm reading and studying says that wide vowels are the front vowels < э и ө ү >.
Therefore narrow vowels are < а ы о у >
Yes, the material I'm reading and studying says that wide vowels are the front vowels < э и ө ү >.
Therefore narrow vowels are < а ы о у >
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
So it's just a front/back thing.
I really need to build my vocab, so I can respond in Sakha.Бүгүн хайдах олороҕут?
Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Don't worry about responses just yet!
Once I've covered a bit more in Sakha, such as possessives and tenses, then I will set an easy translation challenge. :)
Next lesson will be the Ablative Case.
Once I've covered a bit more in Sakha, such as possessives and tenses, then I will set an easy translation challenge. :)
Next lesson will be the Ablative Case.
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Үтүө күнүнэн күндү доҕоттрорум !
Бииргэ үлэбитэххэ биһиги сахалыы билинии тупсариахпыт. Мин эмиэ саха тылыни үөрэнэччи. ол гынан баран миэхэ сахалыы кэпсэтэр киһим суох иһин билигин сахалыы кыратык да саҥарабын. миэхэ көмөлөр саналаах киһи манна баар дуо ?
Hello everyone,
If we work together we'll upgrade our skills in Sakha. I also happened to learn the language, but there's no one to whom I could speak Sakha daily so as for now I know it just abit. Is there anyone who can help me ?
Бииргэ үлэбитэххэ биһиги сахалыы билинии тупсариахпыт. Мин эмиэ саха тылыни үөрэнэччи. ол гынан баран миэхэ сахалыы кэпсэтэр киһим суох иһин билигин сахалыы кыратык да саҥарабын. миэхэ көмөлөр саналаах киһи манна баар дуо ?
Hello everyone,
If we work together we'll upgrade our skills in Sakha. I also happened to learn the language, but there's no one to whom I could speak Sakha daily so as for now I know it just abit. Is there anyone who can help me ?
Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
This is so awesome! I'm sad I've never seen these teach and share threads before.
Am I correct in assuming that double consonants in the orthography, such as the лл in суоллар, are pronounced as geminates?
Lesson 2:
The translation given for bөдөҥ is "strong", but if these are nouns, is it supposed to be "strength"? Or am I missing something?
Lesson 3:
Lesson 4:
I definitely couldn't give you exact glosses of туох, Aаҥл, and тылаҕа, but I'm pretty sure I know approximately what the question was asking.
Lesson 5:
What do these words mean? What is the "template" for Sakha noun declension? Would case suffixes come before or after number suffixes?
It's truly a shame that it's been about a year since this thread updated. Sakha is a really cool language! I hope these lessons continue someday, but if not, hopefully I can find ways to teach myself Sakha.
Thanks for the start, loftyD!
Edit: Time to go back and check my answers!
Lesson 1:Spoiler:
Edit: Looking back, you told Ambrisio that /suollar/ was correct, as opposed to /suol:ar/. What's the difference?
Lesson 2:
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Lesson 3:
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Lesson 4:
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Edit: Ambrisio's answer was алта тыһынча (биир) сүүс түөрт уон тоҕус. Does it matter whether or not you include the биир in there? I'd guess not.
Lesson 5:
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It's truly a shame that it's been about a year since this thread updated. Sakha is a really cool language! I hope these lessons continue someday, but if not, hopefully I can find ways to teach myself Sakha.
Thanks for the start, loftyD!
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While I share the sentiment that this is indeed rather awesome, I'm afraid it's perhaps best not to hold your breath waiting for answers:
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Yeah, I figured as much. Thanks for confirming it, though. Hopefully I'll have luck Googling resources.Xonen wrote:While I share the sentiment that this is indeed rather awesome, I'm afraid it's perhaps best not to hold your breath waiting for answers:loftyD's profile wrote:Last visited: Thu 14 Nov 2013
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Hi guys!
I apologise for my long absence.
I will continue with this thread in due course and will respond to Shimobaatar's post subsequently.
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I apologise for my long absence.
I will continue with this thread in due course and will respond to Shimobaatar's post subsequently.
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Shimobaatar:shimobaatar wrote:This is so awesome! I'm sad I've never seen these teach and share threads before.
Edit: Time to go back and check my answers!Lesson 1:
Am I correct in assuming that double consonants in the orthography, such as the лл in суоллар, are pronounced as geminates?Spoiler:
Edit: Looking back, you told Ambrisio that /suollar/ was correct, as opposed to /suol:ar/. What's the difference?
Lesson 2:
The translation given for bөдөҥ is "strong", but if these are nouns, is it supposed to be "strength"? Or am I missing something?Spoiler:
Lesson 3:
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Lesson 4:
I definitely couldn't give you exact glosses of туох, Aаҥл, and тылаҕа, but I'm pretty sure I know approximately what the question was asking.Spoiler:
Edit: Ambrisio's answer was алта тыһынча (биир) сүүс түөрт уон тоҕус. Does it matter whether or not you include the биир in there? I'd guess not.
Lesson 5:
What do these words mean? What is the "template" for Sakha noun declension? Would case suffixes come before or after number suffixes?Spoiler:
It's truly a shame that it's been about a year since this thread updated. Sakha is a really cool language! I hope these lessons continue someday, but if not, hopefully I can find ways to teach myself Sakha.
Thanks for the start, loftyD!
Lesson 1 answers are correct.
The point regarding the word суоллар (roads) and its dubious IPA for the double l. I personally now don't think there's a difference, so what I said to Ambrisio at the time was a load of rubbish. /suolːar uhun/ or /suollar uhun/ is fine.
Lesson 2 answers are correct.
When the word бөдөҥ is in its plural form, it means "the people who are strong", or the "strong ones".
Lesson 3 answes are correct.
Lesson 4 answes are correct.
туох means "what?" and Aаҥл тылаҕа means "In English", so yeah you got the idea :)
Lesson 5 answers are correct.
I thought I provided glosses for the words: (nvm)
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The order of nouns is like this: <number> <noun><nominative-plural><other-noun-case>
I.e. "On the five mountains" : Биэс хайаларҕа
Unfortunately, in my absence, there are hardly any sources for Sakha grammar or any audio samples.
I will try and aim to produce some more audio over the next coming lessons, so you can actually hear what it sounds like.
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
Hi, it's nice to see you back! Thanks for clearing some of those things up!
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As promised in my last post of yesteryear, I present the next lesson on the Sakha language about the ablative case.
A major difference with Sakha compared to other Turkic languages such as Turkish and Crimean Tatar, is that the ablative is not used to convey the meaning of the comparative. In Sakha, there is a special comparative case that deals with this.
As with the locative/dative, there are various allomorphs that can be added to a noun.
There are two major conditions and each has 4 sub conditions for which to apply the correct morpheme.
Condition 1 : AWD (After Vowels And Diphthongs)
Condition 2: AAC (After Any Consonant)
If AWD :
a) back except /o/
b) front except /ø/
c) /o/ only
d) /ø/ only
If a, then add <ттан>
If b, then add <ттэн>
If c, then add <ттон>
If d, then add <ттөн>
If AAC :
a) back except /o/
b) front except /ø/
c) /o/ only
d) /ø/ only
If a, then add <тан>
If b, then add <тэн>
If c, then add <тон>
If d, then add <төн>
Some examples:
балыктан куттанар: He is scared of fish.
Уоспаттан өлбүттэрэ: They died from smallpox.
Дьиэттэн таҕыстылар: They went out of the house.
Сөмөлүөттөн кэлдим: I came off the plane.
Word Gloss:
Сөмөлүөт: Aeroplane
кэлдим: I came
балык: fish
Хомуур: harvest
баарды: There were
Exercises:
1) Translate into Sakha: "The horse came from the meadow". [Hint: Ат is horse and ходуһа is meadow]
2) Translate into Sakha: "There were potatoes from the harvest". [Hint: хортуоппуй is potato]
A major difference with Sakha compared to other Turkic languages such as Turkish and Crimean Tatar, is that the ablative is not used to convey the meaning of the comparative. In Sakha, there is a special comparative case that deals with this.
As with the locative/dative, there are various allomorphs that can be added to a noun.
There are two major conditions and each has 4 sub conditions for which to apply the correct morpheme.
Condition 1 : AWD (After Vowels And Diphthongs)
Condition 2: AAC (After Any Consonant)
If AWD :
a) back except /o/
b) front except /ø/
c) /o/ only
d) /ø/ only
If a, then add <ттан>
If b, then add <ттэн>
If c, then add <ттон>
If d, then add <ттөн>
If AAC :
a) back except /o/
b) front except /ø/
c) /o/ only
d) /ø/ only
If a, then add <тан>
If b, then add <тэн>
If c, then add <тон>
If d, then add <төн>
Some examples:
балыктан куттанар: He is scared of fish.
Уоспаттан өлбүттэрэ: They died from smallpox.
Дьиэттэн таҕыстылар: They went out of the house.
Сөмөлүөттөн кэлдим: I came off the plane.
Word Gloss:
Сөмөлүөт: Aeroplane
кэлдим: I came
балык: fish
Хомуур: harvest
баарды: There were
Exercises:
1) Translate into Sakha: "The horse came from the meadow". [Hint: Ат is horse and ходуһа is meadow]
2) Translate into Sakha: "There were potatoes from the harvest". [Hint: хортуоппуй is potato]
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Дорообо!
Happy New Year to everyone!
I've managed to get some time and record some sentences in Sakha for you.
Download here: http://www.c9m.co.uk/media/sakha-sentences.mp3
Sentences in Written Sakha:
Уута Аҕал! : Give (me some) water!
Эдэр атта аҕалиҥ: Give me a young horse!
Почта Сөмөлүөтүнэн кэллэ: The mail came by plane.
Мин килиэби быһаҕынан быһабын: I cut bread with a knife.
Эһэ бөрөлүүн охсуотулар: The bear fought with the wolf.
Бу ыт аттааҕар түргэнник сүүрэр: This dog runs faster than a horse.
Happy New Year to everyone!
I've managed to get some time and record some sentences in Sakha for you.
Download here: http://www.c9m.co.uk/media/sakha-sentences.mp3
Sentences in Written Sakha:
Уута Аҕал! : Give (me some) water!
Эдэр атта аҕалиҥ: Give me a young horse!
Почта Сөмөлүөтүнэн кэллэ: The mail came by plane.
Мин килиэби быһаҕынан быһабын: I cut bread with a knife.
Эһэ бөрөлүүн охсуотулар: The bear fought with the wolf.
Бу ыт аттааҕар түргэнник сүүрэр: This dog runs faster than a horse.
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Lesson 6:
Thanks again for continuing these lessons!
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Interesting! If you have the time, could you maybe provide glosses for these (and other sentences in the future)?loftyD wrote:Уута Аҕал! : Give (me some) water!
Эдэр атта аҕалиҥ: Give me a young horse!
Почта Сөмөлүөтүнэн кэллэ: The mail came by plane.
Мин килиэби быһаҕынан быһабын: I cut bread with a knife.
Эһэ бөрөлүүн охсуотулар: The bear fought with the wolf.
Бу ыт аттааҕар түргэнник сүүрэр: This dog runs faster than a horse.
Thanks again for continuing these lessons!
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I will cover the glosses in the next lesson for you :)shimobaatar wrote:Lesson 6:
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loftyD: 1) Sorry I thought I had used this form of the verb previously, I will cover the tenses soon. кэлди is the form I was looking for.
2) This is correct.
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Re: Саха Тыла үөрэн! Learn Sakha!
loftyD wrote:I will cover the glosses in the next lesson for you :)shimobaatar wrote:Lesson 6:
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loftyD: 1) Sorry I thought I had used this form of the verb previously, I will cover the tenses soon. кэлди is the form I was looking for.
2) This is correct.
Thanks!
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