Challenge for conlangs with gender
Challenge for conlangs with gender
After looking on Wikipedia's article for gender and seeing their maps on Polish and French's use of gender for countries I thought it'd be interesting to see everyone's different gender distinctions and how they play out for each country. Here's Îçlo's
http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png
Simple masculine-feminine distinction. Feminine in blue, masculine in red.
Template here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ct.svg.png
http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png
Simple masculine-feminine distinction. Feminine in blue, masculine in red.
Template here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ct.svg.png
Last edited by All4Ɇn on 07 Jun 2015 02:59, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
For the love of lemons and other citrus fruits, please use this; http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png or just link to the map instead of bend the universe with that massive monstrosity.
That is all.
That is all.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
I didn't anticipate it being that big..masako wrote:For the love of lemons and other citrus fruits, please use this; http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png or just link to the map instead of bend the universe with that massive monstrosity.
That is all.
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
Hey I'm not the one who called it a massive monstrosity now
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
This is mineAll4Ɇn wrote:After looking on Wikipedia's article for gender and seeing their maps on Polish and French's use of gender for countries I thought it'd be interesting to see everyone's different gender distinctions and how they play out for each country. Here's Îçlo's
http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png
Simple masculine-feminine distinction. Feminine in blue, masculine in red.
Template here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ct.svg.png
Don't read this until after looking at the map!
Despite having gender, in a pluralized group that contains both female and male members, neutral is used. Always. As soon as one girl or boy enters the fray, bam! neutral.
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
I have Animate and Neuter/Inanimate genders; nations, being groups/organizations of people, are all Animate.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
Kannow has a boring mostly-semantic noun class system: http://i.imgur.com/5T6MtiG.png
...except I forgot that the noun class for islands is the same as the noun class for legal constructs, so everything in green should be red. Except Iceland, which should probably be blue.
Red and green are noun class 4. Blue is noun class 5.
...except I forgot that the noun class for islands is the same as the noun class for legal constructs, so everything in green should be red. Except Iceland, which should probably be blue.
Red and green are noun class 4. Blue is noun class 5.
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
How to choose a color when United States and United Kingdom are masculine, but America and Great Britain are feminine? That happens in some real-world languages.
English is not my native language. Sorry for any mistakes or lack of knowledge when I discuss this language.
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The only languages I have with gender aren't set in our world. One of them has three genders, but none of them are masculine or feminine. I also suspect that the majority of countries would fit in the same gender. The only conlang I have that is set in the real world has no gender.
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
I didn't think of that. That happens with my language too actually. America also refers to the continent so the U.S. seems like the obvious choice. I guess you could choose either with Britain. I went with the U.K.Squall wrote:How to choose a color when United States and United Kingdom are masculine, but America and Great Britain are feminine? That happens in some real-world languages.
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In the British case, isn't 'Great Britain' technically a part of the UK? If it's the gender of the country one is asking form it's 'UK' that's relevant.All4Ɇn wrote:I didn't think of that. That happens with my language too actually. America also refers to the continent so the U.S. seems like the obvious choice. I guess you could choose either with Britain. I went with the U.K.
But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all
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The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain. There were countries in the past whose full name was "United Kingdom of Something".
The full name of Mexico is United States of Mexico, but only America is called United States.
My only conlangs that have random genders are romlangs, so I do not have anything interesting to present.
Other conlangs have "consistent" gender system, so this will be the result.
The full name of Mexico is United States of Mexico, but only America is called United States.
Netherlands has two names in Portuguese. The first is Holanda, which is commonly used in the spoken language, and Países Baixos, which is shown in maps. The gender of both terms is different too.Xing wrote:But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all
My only conlangs that have random genders are romlangs, so I do not have anything interesting to present.
Other conlangs have "consistent" gender system, so this will be the result.
English is not my native language. Sorry for any mistakes or lack of knowledge when I discuss this language.
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What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
Or marked the native countries as one gender and foreign countries as another?
Or marked the native countries as one gender and foreign countries as another?
Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
It's not uncommon for maps to have overlays so I guess use multiple colors on one country to represent it. I think native names should take priority over less used official names (republic of etc.) thoughXing wrote:But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all
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It's not uncommon for countries to have 'long' and 'short' official names – with the long one being something like 'the kingdom of [country]', 'the republic of [country]', 'the democratic peoples' republic of [country]', 'the [country]-ian federation', etc. Though it's the short official forms that are typically used in writing.Squall wrote:The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain. There were countries in the past whose full name was "United Kingdom of Something".
The full name of Mexico is United States of Mexico, but only America is called United States.
Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender
In fact, it's "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".Squall wrote:The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain.
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That's the point.Xing wrote:Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
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Linguistically, that's a ridiculous point. Genders are not that dynamic.Ahzoh wrote:That's the point.Xing wrote:Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
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