Damta: A collaborative world

[Nachtuil]

Okay cool. :) Just to give us some space to "play in".

I really am not sure where the technology is at a given point relative to our own.I think technology could move faster or slower really and in different rates and directions compared to our own world. If we treat our worlds as roughly the same we'd be at about PS 12020 right now. So actualy PS 14 000 would be.... the year 4000 AD hahah. Probably after PS 12500 or PS 13000 is quite sufficient. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, just how far along you want your languages to have evolved by the time that happens.

It is so cool we have a mention in the Frathwiki.

[elemtilas]

It is so cool we have a mention in the Frathwiki.

The way I see it, so many collaborative projects begin with great enthusiasm and then disappear into the uttermost voids almost immediately. We see it happen here in CBB with some frequency. On very rare occasions one comes across an actual collaborative project that is actually very successful -- I've seen only a couple, and have been involved in only one. (Tried to get a couple others going that didn't work out so well!) That's just the way of it, as people come and go and interests wax and wane.

But I sincerely congratulate you guys for reaching so many milestones! You made it over the one month hurdle, and here you are a year later, still working on it! You've got a neat little wiki going and a diverse group of contributors that has kept everything afloat. I thought that was well worth writing an article on Frath.

I hope to see your wiki expand, and perhaps see some artwork, more maps, in world lore and the like!

[Khemehekis]

Just updated something for Likepeg people, sorry for the hiatus

Yay! Hopefully we'll see some more soon.




Does someone want to find Miranda Brawner on the web and invite her to return to her collaboration?

If she's the same one, there's a Miranda Brawner active at alternatehistory.com.

Yeah, I saw her too. Does anyone want to join that forum and send her a message that Damta still waits for her?

[Khemehekis]

Also

I am having an idea of sharing the Querlongs, a group of non-human aliens from my conworld(s) with Damta.

I love it! I see this happening during the last two millennia of our timeline, when the Damtans enter the age of space travel.

By the time we've gotten all the past history fleshed out, we should know what the other planets in Damta's solar system, the other stars in Damta's galaxy, and the planets that orbit those other stars are and what they are called.

[Khemehekis]

I have written that Kompalia is a pioneer in contacting non-human extraterrestrial civilizations, but I am not sure if this is ok for you all.

Also I want to keep the mechanism of FTL drives unexplained as of now, is it ok for you all?

Those are both fine by me!

Do we have an idea of which country will invent cerebral reality? Or is it probably a country that we haven't created yet?

[k1234567890y]

I have written that Kompalia is a pioneer in contacting non-human extraterrestrial civilizations, but I am not sure if this is ok for you all.

Also I want to keep the mechanism of FTL drives unexplained as of now, is it ok for you all?

Those are both fine by me!

Do we have an idea of which country will invent cerebral reality? Or is it probably a country that we haven't created yet?

can I adopt it for Kompalia? or you people feel it is better to put it in other countries?

[Khemehekis]

I have written that Kompalia is a pioneer in contacting non-human extraterrestrial civilizations, but I am not sure if this is ok for you all.

Also I want to keep the mechanism of FTL drives unexplained as of now, is it ok for you all?

Those are both fine by me!

Do we have an idea of which country will invent cerebral reality? Or is it probably a country that we haven't created yet?

can I adopt it for Kompalia? or you people feel it is better to put it in other countries?

I'd wait awhile and see if someone else creates a country that's a big player in the fourteenth millennium.

[k1234567890y]

I have written that Kompalia is a pioneer in contacting non-human extraterrestrial civilizations, but I am not sure if this is ok for you all.

Also I want to keep the mechanism of FTL drives unexplained as of now, is it ok for you all?

Those are both fine by me!

Do we have an idea of which country will invent cerebral reality? Or is it probably a country that we haven't created yet?

can I adopt it for Kompalia? or you people feel it is better to put it in other countries?

I'd wait awhile and see if someone else creates a country that's a big player in the fourteenth millennium.

sure

then I won't claim it

[Khemehekis]

Who's going to domesticate the dog on Damta? What will the family tree of breeds look like?

[Nachtuil]

Who's going to domesticate the dog on Damta? What will the family tree of breeds look like?

I think it is a really cool idea to have dog breeds local to certain regions and or cultures though I feel like maybe the initial domestication itself would make sense if that is something that occurs before agriculture itself and maybe not attributable to a specific people.

I really like this idea though. I wonder if a dog suited to arid environments would have been popular with the Txabao. Maybe a dingo like creature? Perhaps a breed like the Saluki or the Canaan dog? I suppose earlier back the dogs in that region might look like this feral dog from the Middle East? https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/wp- ... 4/dog1.jpg

[Khemehekis]

Who's going to domesticate the dog on Damta? What will the family tree of breeds look like?

I think it is a really cool idea to have dog breeds local to certain regions and or cultures though I feel like maybe the initial domestication itself would make sense if that is something that occurs before agriculture itself and maybe not attributable to a specific people.

Yeah, the dog was domesticated in prehistoric times on Earth, so on Damta it would probably be around PS 100 or so.

I really like this idea though. I wonder if a dog suited to arid environments would have been popular with the Txabao. Maybe a dingo like creature? Perhaps a breed like the Saluki or the Canaan dog? I suppose earlier back the dogs in that region might look like this feral dog from the Middle East? https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/wp- ... 4/dog1.jpg

I had to look up the Canaan dog on Wikipedia, since I had never heard of the breed. After comparing those pictures, I think I have an idea of what the Txabao's dogs would have looked like. It would probably be lean. Maybe it could hunt geese that looked like an Egyptian goose!

I'll try to name the dog breed and type up a little description.

[Nachtuil]

Here is another shot of a canaan dog. What a good boy hahaha. It is fun to imagine it making its home among the Txabao camps and such. I imagine the Kojikeng would later have several derived breeds. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VXFKTVcPCrE/ ... 145027.jpg

[Nachtuil]

I can't wait to see what you come up with for dog breeds. I can't wait for generic words for dog in different languages coming to mean specific breeds lol.

[Khemehekis]

Thanks for the Canaan dog picture, it is edifying. And yes, words that change meaning from "dog" to "breed X of dog" are a classic linguistic phenomenon. Like "sombrero" meaning any old hat in Spanish, but coming to mean a Mexican cowboy-like style of hat in English. Or "biscotti" meaning any old cookie in Italian, but referring to those Italian slab-shaped cookies that you dunk in your coffee in English. Or "otaku" basically meaning geek in Japanese, but being used for anime geeks in English.

[Nachtuil]

Great! :) Yeah, I guess it does happen an awful lot!
Also, in my earlier comment I said dog breeds, but meant just any dog related terms.

[k1234567890y]

I just got another idea for Damta: the language hat

[Khemehekis]

I just got another idea for Damta: the language hat

Ooh -- I like the idea!

The Lehola Galaxy has a similar device called a KANO, a Kankonian acronym for "karmans ad nenetzes olmono", or "universal machine for the lips".

Spoiler:

The speaker selects his/her language and his/her interlocutor's language, then speaks one sentence or group of short sentences at a time into the KANO. The KANO then identifies the phonemes, then creates several trees of possible words (e.g. /isas/ in Kankonian could be either "is as" (I am) or "isass" (10,000)), then uses a knowledge representation language in its chip called Psaihek to determine which of the trees is the most logical. The winning sentence is then translated into Halim, an international auxiliary language that is far more disambiguated semantically than any natural language. It is here that judgments in semantic distinctions are made with the help of Psaihek and by the glossoscope that is part of the KANO. In translating the English words "boy" and "girl" into Kankonian, for instance, if a person is talking to a teen-age girl about "the boy you are dating", Psaihek will conclude that the boy is in his teens or possibly twenties himself and will translate it with "bein" rather than "makeke". If the speaker refers to "the girl eating the popsicle" over there, the glossoscope will observe the girl eating a popsicle nearby, Psaihek will conclude that she looks about 17, and "girl" will be translated as "piva" rather than "malazi". Even then, it only gets the semantic distinctions right about 90% of the time. After translating, the KANO will speak the sentence to the listener in the listener's language. Tone of voice when speaking one word or phrase is maintained when the KANO speaks the equivalent word or phrase. Any subtext is up to the listener to determine.

There are some things that will cause the KANO to trip up. Nonsense words ("nibby-nibby-noo") stump it, as do some proper names it does not recognize. (If an English-speaking woman named her daughter Solidarity, for instance, "Solidarity" would be translated into Kankonian as "dinhelder" rather than kept as a proper name.) It also fails if one of the conversants speaks a dialect of his/her language with which the KANO is unfamiliar, or if a word is mispronounced (if you were speaking English and pronounced "ask" as "aks", for instance, the KANO would think you meant "axe" and would misinterpret). If an English speaker referred to "your aunt Nisha" for the first time, the KANO would be unable to determine whether Nisha was the listener's parent's sister, or the listener's parent's sibling's wife. The KANO is unable to translate puns. The biggest disadvantage of all, however, is that the KANO only works for spoken or sung languages and telepathic languages, not sign languages or chromatic languages.

The module for the KANO is updated every 10 years (on the Kankonian calendar) to reflect language change.

[k1234567890y]

I just got another idea for Damta: the language hat

Ooh -- I like the idea!

The Lehola Galaxy has a similar device called a KANO, a Kankonian acronym for "karmans ad nenetzes olmono", or "universal machine for the lips". (the rest parts are omitted)

nice (:

and I wonder if there’s a possibility for Damta peoples meet Kankonian

[elemtilas]

I just got another idea for Damta: the language hat

Ooh -- I like the idea!

The Lehola Galaxy has a similar device called a KANO, a Kankonian acronym for "karmans ad nenetzes olmono", or "universal machine for the lips".

Nice ideas, both!

I don't think you'd ever find anything like those in Yeola. I mean, there are devices that act something like computers. Cantankerous computers, anyway. I think it could possibly translate between two known languages; but certainly couldn't handle an unknown language nor read one's mind to get the job done.

You might also have to give the thing a smart whack on the side and tell it to translate properly next time! And without such frequent recourse to colourful metaphors!

[Khemehekis]

"The law of Kompalia lists equal rights between all members of the society as a fundamental right. The discrimination against anyone based on sex and sex characteristics, gender identity, gender expression, generation, age, caste, criminal record, height, weight, physical appearance, disability, family status, genetic characteristics, marital status, nationality, profession, color, race and ethnicity, species, religion, sexual orientation, political ideology, social class, personality, as well as other categories are illegal in the law."

Species? This only applies to sapient species, right? Like the humans native to Damta and any aliens they may encounter during the Space Age? Because I imagine a fly or a louse wouldn't have full human rights . . .