Oh, no worries! That's totally understandable.
Reverse romanization challenge game #2
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c ch c' e h ḫ i k kh k' l o ph p' q qh qh' r s t th t' u x
/b~m t̪ d̪~n̪ t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k ɡ q ʔ/ ⟨p' t t' c c' k k' q x⟩
/ɸ θ s ʃ x χ ʁ h ħ/ ⟨ph th s ch kh qh qh' h ḫ⟩
/l ɻ/ ⟨l r⟩
/i~ɪ̟ u~ʊ̠/ ⟨i u⟩
/æ~a ɔ̞~ɒ/ ⟨e o⟩
Next:
a â ă b ḅ ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph qu r s ṣ t th u
/b~m t̪ d̪~n̪ t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k ɡ q ʔ/ ⟨p' t t' c c' k k' q x⟩
/ɸ θ s ʃ x χ ʁ h ħ/ ⟨ph th s ch kh qh qh' h ḫ⟩
/l ɻ/ ⟨l r⟩
/i~ɪ̟ u~ʊ̠/ ⟨i u⟩
/æ~a ɔ̞~ɒ/ ⟨e o⟩
Next:
a â ă b ḅ ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph qu r s ṣ t th u
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a â ă b ḅ ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph qu r s ṣ t th u
Initial:
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sh n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g h _ k kh l m n ŋ _ _ _ p ph ʜ ʜu r s ʂ t th _
Originally <h q> were /h ʜ/; however, both were deleted, except /ʜ/ > /x/ before /u/, and /h/ aspirated voiceless stops.
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ k kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ p pʰ ∅ xu r s ʂ t tʰ _
/u/ is deleted adjacent to velars; elided from orthography as well, except for "qu" as that is still a distinct sound /x/.
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ k kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ p pʰ ∅ x r s ʂ t tʰ _
Lenition of ordinary voiceless stops: p > v~f, t > r~r̥, t͡s > z~s, k > j~ç. <c> merges with <s>.
a â ă b ḅ ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ ç~j~ʍ~w kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ f~v pʰ x r s~z ʂ~ʐ r̥~r tʰ _
Final result:
<m n ṇ> /m n ŋ/
<ph th ch kh> /pʰ tʰ t͡s kʰ/
<b d g> /m͡b n͡d ŋ͡g/
<ḅ ḍ> /ɓ ɗ/
<p s ṣ k qu> /f~v s~z ʂ~ʐ ç~j~ʍ~w x/
<l r> /l r/
<i u> /i u/
<e ê ă o ô> /e e: ə o o:/
<a â ọ> /a a: ɒ/
ă a ā ā̄* b b̌ brř c cj d dj dz ĕ e ē ē̄* ə ə̄ ə̄̄* p p̌ q r ř ĭ i ī ī̄* j k f v l m n ň ŏ o ō ō̄* s sj t ŭ u ū ū̄* ʉ ʉ̄ ʉ̄̄* g x z
* Should be a double macron, this might not display correctly
P̌ʉgbăxăr cjen qə̄vĭc ləmdzĕnā ňuřfēq djʉ̄rŭktvŏl nax rib, qō̄* ləm, vescĕ zdzĕnē̄*. Nax qō̄*, řīkbăxăr, lol dzə gʉb̌rĭnkĭtōv ribvŏl ňuřfēq nax ləmdzĕnē̄*. Emnax vescĕjē qō̄* zdzĕnā brřīňī.
Initial:
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sh n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g h _ k kh l m n ŋ _ _ _ p ph ʜ ʜu r s ʂ t th _
Originally <h q> were /h ʜ/; however, both were deleted, except /ʜ/ > /x/ before /u/, and /h/ aspirated voiceless stops.
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ k kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ p pʰ ∅ xu r s ʂ t tʰ _
/u/ is deleted adjacent to velars; elided from orthography as well, except for "qu" as that is still a distinct sound /x/.
a â ă b ḅ c ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph q qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡s t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ k kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ p pʰ ∅ x r s ʂ t tʰ _
Lenition of ordinary voiceless stops: p > v~f, t > r~r̥, t͡s > z~s, k > j~ç. <c> merges with <s>.
a â ă b ḅ ch d ḍ e ê g h i k kh l m n ṇ o ô ọ p ph qu r s ṣ t th u
_ _ _ m͡b ɓ t͡sʰ n͡d ɗ _ _ ŋ͡g ∅ _ ç~j~ʍ~w kʰ l m n ŋ _ _ _ f~v pʰ x r s~z ʂ~ʐ r̥~r tʰ _
Final result:
<m n ṇ> /m n ŋ/
<ph th ch kh> /pʰ tʰ t͡s kʰ/
<b d g> /m͡b n͡d ŋ͡g/
<ḅ ḍ> /ɓ ɗ/
<p s ṣ k qu> /f~v s~z ʂ~ʐ ç~j~ʍ~w x/
<l r> /l r/
<i u> /i u/
<e ê ă o ô> /e e: ə o o:/
<a â ọ> /a a: ɒ/
ă a ā ā̄* b b̌ brř c cj d dj dz ĕ e ē ē̄* ə ə̄ ə̄̄* p p̌ q r ř ĭ i ī ī̄* j k f v l m n ň ŏ o ō ō̄* s sj t ŭ u ū ū̄* ʉ ʉ̄ ʉ̄̄* g x z
* Should be a double macron, this might not display correctly
P̌ʉgbăxăr cjen qə̄vĭc ləmdzĕnā ňuřfēq djʉ̄rŭktvŏl nax rib, qō̄* ləm, vescĕ zdzĕnē̄*. Nax qō̄*, řīkbăxăr, lol dzə gʉb̌rĭnkĭtōv ribvŏl ňuřfēq nax ləmdzĕnē̄*. Emnax vescĕjē qō̄* zdzĕnā brřīňī.
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Next:
a â b c ć č d e ě ë f g i j k l m n o p r s š t u û v x y z ž ’
a â b c ć č d e ě ë f g i j k l m n o p r s š t u û v x y z ž ’
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a â b c ć č d e ě ë f g i j k l m n o p r s š t u û v x y z ž ’
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <f v s z š ž x>
/t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ɕ/ <c č ć>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j/ <l j>
/r/ <r>
/i y ɨ u/ <i u y û>
/e o/ <e o>
/ə/ <ë>
/ɛ/ <ě>
/a ɑ/ <a â>
<’> is used to indicate the omission of a segment.
Next:
a b ɓ c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p q r s š ś t u v w x y z ʒ þ ɣ
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <f v s z š ž x>
/t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ɕ/ <c č ć>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j/ <l j>
/r/ <r>
/i y ɨ u/ <i u y û>
/e o/ <e o>
/ə/ <ë>
/ɛ/ <ě>
/a ɑ/ <a â>
<’> is used to indicate the omission of a segment.
Next:
a b ɓ c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p q r s š ś t u v w x y z ʒ þ ɣ
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a b ɓ c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p q r s š ś t u v w x y z ʒ þ ɣ
/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b ɓ t d k ɡ q/ ⟨p b ɓ t d k g q⟩
/t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ/ ⟨c j⟩
/f v θ s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x ɣ h/ ⟨f v þ s z š ʒ ś x ɣ h⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e œ o/ ⟨e ö o⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩
Next:
a ā b d ḋ ḍ f g h ḥ i ī j k ḳ l m n q r s ṡ ṣ ś t ṫ ṭ u ū w y z ż ẓ ’ ‘
/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b ɓ t d k ɡ q/ ⟨p b ɓ t d k g q⟩
/t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ/ ⟨c j⟩
/f v θ s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x ɣ h/ ⟨f v þ s z š ʒ ś x ɣ h⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e œ o/ ⟨e ö o⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩
Next:
a ā b d ḋ ḍ f g h ḥ i ī j k ḳ l m n q r s ṡ ṣ ś t ṫ ṭ u ū w y z ż ẓ ’ ‘
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a ā b d ḋ ḍ f g h ḥ i ī j k ḳ l m n q r s ṡ ṣ ś t ṫ ṭ u ū w y z ż ẓ ’ ‘
<m n> /m n/
<ṫ t ṭ k ḳ q '> /t̪ʲ t ʈˤ k q ʡ ʔ/
<b ḋ d ḍ g> /b d̪ʲ d ɖˤ g/
<f ṡ s ṣ ś ḥ h> /f s̪ʲ s ʂˤ ɕ ħ h/
<ż z ẓ> /z̪ʲ z ʐˤ/
<l j w ‘> /l j w ʕ/
<a ā i ī u ū y> /a a: i i: u u: ɘ/
' h v a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! q y b c ç #
(supposed to be "a z x r n ! n!" in black, blue, green, red in that order if the colors do not display)
<m n> /m n/
<ṫ t ṭ k ḳ q '> /t̪ʲ t ʈˤ k q ʡ ʔ/
<b ḋ d ḍ g> /b d̪ʲ d ɖˤ g/
<f ṡ s ṣ ś ḥ h> /f s̪ʲ s ʂˤ ɕ ħ h/
<ż z ẓ> /z̪ʲ z ʐˤ/
<l j w ‘> /l j w ʕ/
<a ā i ī u ū y> /a a: i i: u u: ɘ/
' h v a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! a z x r n ! n! q y b c ç #
(supposed to be "a z x r n ! n!" in black, blue, green, red in that order if the colors do not display)
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What does meaning?
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
This is a really weird system for a language something like Hmong crossed with Dene.
There are 6 possible codas (plus a null coda rep'd by <a>) - <z x r n ! n!> /ts kx r n ʔ nk/, derived from final /t k l n q ŋ/
The colours each represent a tone (Ba - mid; G - mid rising; R - high falling; Bu - low)
' h and v represent glottalized, aspirated, and labialized consonants, respectively
q y b c ç and # tell you whether the initial is a plosive, resonant, affricate, fricative, or nasal. # means null.
Vowels are unmarked because with a language like this, there are probably only like 5 options anyways.
This is a cipher system something like the melodies played by the Hmong on the qeej - a reed instrument - in that they omit certain parts of the word, which then have be memorized.
So playing "ag eeb oob" and knowing you mean "dag neeb hmoob."'
The actual phonology is something like
hm m m' hn n n' hŋ ŋ ŋ' hŋw ŋw ŋ'w
ph p p' t th t' kh k k' kwh kw k'w qh q q' qwh qw q'w
tsh ts ts' t∫h t∫ t∫' tłh tł tł'
s z ∫ 3 ł x xw X Xw
l l' wh w w' yh y y'
(ʔ)
4 tones - mid, mid rising, high falling, low
vowels a e i o u
only t k q l n ŋ allowed as codas.
No I am not giving you a written example.
My turn: a à ȁ á b d g j i ì ȉ í n o ò ȍ ó ƣ r s u Ɨ
Bonus points if there are only 3 vowels, with no tones, lengthening, rhoticizing, etc. modding them.
There are 6 possible codas (plus a null coda rep'd by <a>) - <z x r n ! n!> /ts kx r n ʔ nk/, derived from final /t k l n q ŋ/
The colours each represent a tone (Ba - mid; G - mid rising; R - high falling; Bu - low)
' h and v represent glottalized, aspirated, and labialized consonants, respectively
q y b c ç and # tell you whether the initial is a plosive, resonant, affricate, fricative, or nasal. # means null.
Vowels are unmarked because with a language like this, there are probably only like 5 options anyways.
This is a cipher system something like the melodies played by the Hmong on the qeej - a reed instrument - in that they omit certain parts of the word, which then have be memorized.
So playing "ag eeb oob" and knowing you mean "dag neeb hmoob."'
The actual phonology is something like
hm m m' hn n n' hŋ ŋ ŋ' hŋw ŋw ŋ'w
ph p p' t th t' kh k k' kwh kw k'w qh q q' qwh qw q'w
tsh ts ts' t∫h t∫ t∫' tłh tł tł'
s z ∫ 3 ł x xw X Xw
l l' wh w w' yh y y'
(ʔ)
4 tones - mid, mid rising, high falling, low
vowels a e i o u
only t k q l n ŋ allowed as codas.
No I am not giving you a written example.
My turn: a à ȁ á b d g j i ì ȉ í n o ò ȍ ó ƣ r s u Ɨ
Bonus points if there are only 3 vowels, with no tones, lengthening, rhoticizing, etc. modding them.
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Wow, nice one there!Visions1 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021 16:36 This is a really weird system for a language something like Hmong crossed with Dene.
There are 6 possible codas (plus a null coda rep'd by <a>) - <z x r n ! n!> /ts kx r n ʔ nk/, derived from final /t k l n q ŋ/
The colours each represent a tone (Ba - mid; G - mid rising; R - high falling; Bu - low)
' h and v represent glottalized, aspirated, and labialized consonants, respectively
q y b c ç and # tell you whether the initial is a plosive, resonant, affricate, fricative, or nasal. # means null.
Vowels are unmarked because with a language like this, there are probably only like 5 options anyways.
This is a cipher system something like the melodies played by the Hmong on the qeej - a reed instrument - in that they omit certain parts of the word, which then have be memorized.
So playing "ag eeb oob" and knowing you mean "dag neeb hmoob."'
The actual phonology is something like
hm m m' hn n n' hŋ ŋ ŋ' hŋw ŋw ŋ'w
ph p p' t th t' kh k k' kwh kw k'w qh q q' qwh qw q'w
tsh ts ts' t∫h t∫ t∫' tłh tł tł'
s z ∫ 3 ł x xw X Xw
l l' wh w w' yh y y'
(ʔ)
4 tones - mid, mid rising, high falling, low
vowels a e i o u
only t k q l n ŋ allowed as codas.
No I am not giving you a written example.
My turn: a à ȁ á b d g j i ì ȉ í n o ò ȍ ó ƣ r s u Ɨ
Bonus points if there are only 3 vowels, with no tones, lengthening, rhoticizing, etc. modding them.
a à ȁ á b d g j i ì ȉ í n o ò ȍ ó ƣ r s u Ɨ
<n> /n/
<b d Ɨ j g> /p t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ k/
<u s ƣ> /v s x/
<a à ȁ á i ì ȉ í o ò ȍ ó> /a˨ a˦˨ a˦˥˨ a˩˧ i˨ i˦˨ i˦˥˨ i˩˧ o˨ o˦˨ o˦˥˨ o˩˧/
a p b t d e ʈ ɖ ɭ i j k m n ɳ ŋ o q s ʂ c ç u r x
Paʈeɭ iɳiɭkria siqaden moɭçoq ncipe. Ruke nixeɭ rabɖon, niçku noɭa ɖob, aɖiknaŋop qixre ŋoɭqaden ŋoɭcoje ncipe.
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a p b t d e ʈ ɖ ɭ i j k m n ɳ ŋ o q s ʂ c ç u r x
/p b t d ʈ ɖ k q/ <p b t d ʈ ɖ k q>
/s ʂ x/ <s ʂ x>
/t͡s ʈ͡ʂ/ <c ç>
/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n ɳ ŋ>
/l ɭ j/ <r ɭ j>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
<Paʈeɭ iɳiɭkria siqaden moɭçoq ncipe. Ruke nixeɭ rabɖon, niçku noɭa ɖob, aɖiknaŋop qixre ŋoɭqaden ŋoɭcoje ncipe.>
/paʈeɭ iɳiɭklia siqaden moɭʈ͡ʂoq nt͡sipe || luke nixeɭ labɖon | niʈ͡ʂku noɭa ɖob | aɖiknaŋop qixle ŋoɭqaden ŋoɭt͡soje nt͡sipe/
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a á à b c ç d ḑ e é è f g ģ h ḩ i í ì j k ķ l ļ m n ņ o ó ò p q r ŗ s ş t ţ u ú ù v w ẃ ẁ x y ý ỳ z
/p b t d ʈ ɖ k q/ <p b t d ʈ ɖ k q>
/s ʂ x/ <s ʂ x>
/t͡s ʈ͡ʂ/ <c ç>
/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n ɳ ŋ>
/l ɭ j/ <r ɭ j>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
<Paʈeɭ iɳiɭkria siqaden moɭçoq ncipe. Ruke nixeɭ rabɖon, niçku noɭa ɖob, aɖiknaŋop qixre ŋoɭqaden ŋoɭcoje ncipe.>
/paʈeɭ iɳiɭklia siqaden moɭʈ͡ʂoq nt͡sipe || luke nixeɭ labɖon | niʈ͡ʂku noɭa ɖob | aɖiknaŋop qixle ŋoɭqaden ŋoɭt͡soje nt͡sipe/
Next:
a á à b c ç d ḑ e é è f g ģ h ḩ i í ì j k ķ l ļ m n ņ o ó ò p q r ŗ s ş t ţ u ú ù v w ẃ ẁ x y ý ỳ z
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a á à b c ç d ḑ e é è f g ģ h ḩ i í ì j k ķ l ļ m n ņ o ó ò p q r ŗ s ş t ţ u ú ù v w ẃ ẁ x y ý ỳ z
a á à • e é è • i í ì • o ó ò • u ú ù • w ẃ ẁ • y ý ỳ
m n ņ
p t ţ c ç k ķ q
b d ḑ .. g ģ ... h ḩ
f s ş ... x
v z
. j l ļ r ŗ
Some stuff I notice:
The vowels tell me "Welsh"
Not sure what the marks above them mean, but it's either a tone distinction like in NA languages, or it's some Hungarian business.
The cedillas scream Turkish. I have a really strong feeling you just decided to just make Turkish with extra steps. Or Lativian.
Assuming cedillas are palatals, there are no palatals for bilabials, x, z, or q. V seems to rep /w/ at lest in some porto-language, maybe /v/ now.
You just took the alphabet and augmented it, didn't you : P
I could make the vowels have a 3-way distinction, but it doesn't seem to rub me right. So it'll be tonal. Like Igbo or Algonquian of something.
/m n nj/
/p t tj ts tsj k kj q/
/b d dj g gj h hj/
/f s sj x/
/z/
/v j l lj r rj/
tsj and sj lenitiate into tɕ and ɕ, hj into ç. Slight lenition in the palatalized obstruents.
7 vowels /i e a ɯ ɤ u o/ <i e a y w u o>
Words look like Hungarian or Turkish
ņẃnana qeŗélemben
a á à • e é è • i í ì • o ó ò • u ú ù • w ẃ ẁ • y ý ỳ
m n ņ
p t ţ c ç k ķ q
b d ḑ .. g ģ ... h ḩ
f s ş ... x
v z
. j l ļ r ŗ
Some stuff I notice:
The vowels tell me "Welsh"
Not sure what the marks above them mean, but it's either a tone distinction like in NA languages, or it's some Hungarian business.
The cedillas scream Turkish. I have a really strong feeling you just decided to just make Turkish with extra steps. Or Lativian.
Assuming cedillas are palatals, there are no palatals for bilabials, x, z, or q. V seems to rep /w/ at lest in some porto-language, maybe /v/ now.
You just took the alphabet and augmented it, didn't you : P
I could make the vowels have a 3-way distinction, but it doesn't seem to rub me right. So it'll be tonal. Like Igbo or Algonquian of something.
/m n nj/
/p t tj ts tsj k kj q/
/b d dj g gj h hj/
/f s sj x/
/z/
/v j l lj r rj/
tsj and sj lenitiate into tɕ and ɕ, hj into ç. Slight lenition in the palatalized obstruents.
7 vowels /i e a ɯ ɤ u o/ <i e a y w u o>
Words look like Hungarian or Turkish
ņẃnana qeŗélemben
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Oop, forgot my alphabet.
a b c d e h i l r m n s o p t u x z ɵ ᴪ Þ
a b c d e h i l r m n s o p t u x z ɵ ᴪ Þ
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Is that last one a Wynn?
You don’t need both a theta and a thorn, right?
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
ɵ is not the same as theta, in the IPA it is a vowel.
a b c d e h i l r m n s o p t u x z ɵ ᴪ Þ
<a e i o u ɵ> /a e i o u ɤ/
<m n> /m n~ŋ/
<p t c x> /ʔ t~k t͡s k͡p/
<b d z> /b d d͡z/
<þ s ᴪ> /x~h s s̬ʷ*/
<l r> /l~ʟ ɹ~ɰ/
* whistled
<Xal cipit bizel nɵþlar mebdenzaᴪi.> [k͡paʟ t͡siʔik bid͡zel nɤʟ̝̊ʟ̝̊aɯ̯ mebdend͡zas̬ʷi]
a æ b v j c cc ç e ě f g ǵ gb h i k ḱ kk ḱḱ p l ł m n ỹ r ř o ǒ q qq s ş t tt ! u x x́ ɸ y z z̹
Łeçin-gbæ lỹoqqěn ticɸan ǵazmiřoq. Nape rǒxlefke piłæze na!ni z̹are, gboh x́ela tti !inyu famziłtěçis.
a b c d e h i l r m n s o p t u x z ɵ ᴪ Þ
<a e i o u ɵ> /a e i o u ɤ/
<m n> /m n~ŋ/
<p t c x> /ʔ t~k t͡s k͡p/
<b d z> /b d d͡z/
<þ s ᴪ> /x~h s s̬ʷ*/
<l r> /l~ʟ ɹ~ɰ/
* whistled
<Xal cipit bizel nɵþlar mebdenzaᴪi.> [k͡paʟ t͡siʔik bid͡zel nɤʟ̝̊ʟ̝̊aɯ̯ mebdend͡zas̬ʷi]
a æ b v j c cc ç e ě f g ǵ gb h i k ḱ kk ḱḱ p l ł m n ỹ r ř o ǒ q qq s ş t tt ! u x x́ ɸ y z z̹
Łeçin-gbæ lỹoqqěn ticɸan ǵazmiřoq. Nape rǒxlefke piłæze na!ni z̹are, gboh x́ela tti !inyu famziłtěçis.
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a æ b v j c cc ç e ě f g ǵ gb h i k ḱ kk ḱḱ p l ł m n ỹ r ř o ǒ q qq s ş t tt ! u x x́ ɸ y z z̹
/m n ᵈᶾɲ/ ⟨m n ỹ⟩
/b t c ɟ k ɡ k͡p ɡ͡ɓ ʡ ʔ/ ⟨b t ḱ ǵ k g p gb q z̧⟩
/t͡s t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ ȶ͡ɕː c͡ç k͡x/ ⟨tt c j cc ḱḱ kk⟩
/ɸ s z ɮ ç χ ʁ/ ⟨f s z ł x́ x h⟩
/β̞ l j/ ⟨v l y⟩
/ɾ ɽ ʢː/ ⟨r ř qq⟩
/ʘ ǃ ‼ ǂ/ ⟨φ ş ! ç⟩
/iː uː/ ⟨i u⟩
/i̞ u̞/ ⟨ě ǒ⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛː ä/ ⟨æ a⟩
Łeçin-gbæ lỹoqqěn ticɸan ǵazmiřoq. Nape rǒxlefke piłæze na!ni z̹are, gboh x́ela tti !inyu famziłtěçis.
/ɮeǂiːn.ɡ͡ɓɛː lᵈᶾɲoʢːi̞n tiːt̠͡ʃʘän ɟäzmiːɽoʡ ‖ näk͡pe ɾu̞χleɸke k͡piːɮɛːze nä‼niː ʔäɾe | ɡ͡ɓoʁ çelä t͡siː ‼iːnjuː ɸämziːɮti̞ǂiːs ‖/
Next:
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
/m n ᵈᶾɲ/ ⟨m n ỹ⟩
/b t c ɟ k ɡ k͡p ɡ͡ɓ ʡ ʔ/ ⟨b t ḱ ǵ k g p gb q z̧⟩
/t͡s t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ ȶ͡ɕː c͡ç k͡x/ ⟨tt c j cc ḱḱ kk⟩
/ɸ s z ɮ ç χ ʁ/ ⟨f s z ł x́ x h⟩
/β̞ l j/ ⟨v l y⟩
/ɾ ɽ ʢː/ ⟨r ř qq⟩
/ʘ ǃ ‼ ǂ/ ⟨φ ş ! ç⟩
/iː uː/ ⟨i u⟩
/i̞ u̞/ ⟨ě ǒ⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛː ä/ ⟨æ a⟩
Łeçin-gbæ lỹoqqěn ticɸan ǵazmiřoq. Nape rǒxlefke piłæze na!ni z̹are, gboh x́ela tti !inyu famziłtěçis.
/ɮeǂiːn.ɡ͡ɓɛː lᵈᶾɲoʢːi̞n tiːt̠͡ʃʘän ɟäzmiːɽoʡ ‖ näk͡pe ɾu̞χleɸke k͡piːɮɛːze nä‼niː ʔäɾe | ɡ͡ɓoʁ çelä t͡siː ‼iːnjuː ɸämziːɮti̞ǂiːs ‖/
Next:
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
That's quite an inventory!
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
So first things first, this is just Sanskrit.
a ai au ā e ē i ī o ō u ū
/a ai au a: e e: i i: o o: u u:/
This is just Sankrit minus the aspirations, plus carons to throw us for a loop. So I don't really see why jñ kš śr and tr should be their own things. But let's say they are Dental vs. Alveolar vs. Palatal vs. Retroflex, just for fun.
m n ň ñ ṅ
p t ť c tr k
- - - j kš
v s š ś śr h
l ̌ ř
l r y
m n̪ n ɲ ɳ
p t̪ t c ʈ k
- - - tɕ - kʂ
v s̪ s ɕ ʂ
l̥ r̥
l r j
a ae ai aie ao aoh au aue c c' c^ e ee ei eie eue ey eye f f' h hh i ie iue iy l l^ m m' n n' o oah oh oie ou oue oy p p' p^ r r^ s s' t t' t^ u ue ui uie uy y
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
a ai au ā c e ē h i ī j jñ k kš l ľ m n ň ñ ṅ o ō p r ř s š ś śr t tr ť u ū v y
So first things first, this is just Sanskrit.
a ai au ā e ē i ī o ō u ū
/a ai au a: e e: i i: o o: u u:/
This is just Sankrit minus the aspirations, plus carons to throw us for a loop. So I don't really see why jñ kš śr and tr should be their own things. But let's say they are Dental vs. Alveolar vs. Palatal vs. Retroflex, just for fun.
m n ň ñ ṅ
p t ť c tr k
- - - j kš
v s š ś śr h
l ̌ ř
l r y
m n̪ n ɲ ɳ
p t̪ t c ʈ k
- - - tɕ - kʂ
v s̪ s ɕ ʂ
l̥ r̥
l r j
a ae ai aie ao aoh au aue c c' c^ e ee ei eie eue ey eye f f' h hh i ie iue iy l l^ m m' n n' o oah oh oie ou oue oy p p' p^ r r^ s s' t t' t^ u ue ui uie uy y
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
a ae ai aie ao aoh au aue c c' c^ e ee ei eie eue ey eye f f' h hh i ie iue iy l l^ m m' n n' o oah oh oie ou oue oy p p' p^ r r^ s s' t t' t^ u ue ui uie uy y
a ae ai~e ei~ie eu~oi i iu~ui ao~oa o~au ou u ue ui
/a ɛ e ɪ ø i y ɔ o ʊ u ʏ/
h ey iy~y oy uy
/ɛ: ɪ: i: ø: y:/
aie aoh~oah aue eie eue eye iue~uie oh oie oue
/eɪ̯ ɔɛ̯ œʏ̯ ɪə̯ ʏə̯ iə̯ yə̯ oɛ̯ oɪ̯ ʊə̯/
p^ t^ c^ l^ r^
/p' t' t͡s' k' ʈ͡ʂ'/
p' f' t' c' s'
/pʰ fʰ tʰ t͡sʰ sʰ/
p f t c s
/p f t t͡s s/
m m' n n'
/m m̥ n n̥/
r l hh
/ʗ g͡ʟ h/
Yep, no normal /k/.
a a̪ â p p̪ b e e̪ ə ə̪ f t d c ç ¢ i i̪ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł m n n̂ o o̪ q r r̂ s u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û kp gb x z
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
a ae ai~e ei~ie eu~oi i iu~ui ao~oa o~au ou u ue ui
/a ɛ e ɪ ø i y ɔ o ʊ u ʏ/
h ey iy~y oy uy
/ɛ: ɪ: i: ø: y:/
aie aoh~oah aue eie eue eye iue~uie oh oie oue
/eɪ̯ ɔɛ̯ œʏ̯ ɪə̯ ʏə̯ iə̯ yə̯ oɛ̯ oɪ̯ ʊə̯/
p^ t^ c^ l^ r^
/p' t' t͡s' k' ʈ͡ʂ'/
p' f' t' c' s'
/pʰ fʰ tʰ t͡sʰ sʰ/
p f t c s
/p f t t͡s s/
m m' n n'
/m m̥ n n̥/
r l hh
/ʗ g͡ʟ h/
Yep, no normal /k/.
a a̪ â p p̪ b e e̪ ə ə̪ f t d c ç ¢ i i̪ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł m n n̂ o o̪ q r r̂ s u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û kp gb x z
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
Spoiler:
Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Was sorta going for an Irish/Breton feel for the last one, so I find the interpretation interesting. I'm proud you picked up on the way-too-large number of vowels.
a a̪ â p p̪ b e e̪ ə ə̪ f t d c ç ¢ i i̪ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł m n n̂ o o̪ q r r̂ s u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û kp gb x z
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
"<¢> is probably my favorite way to romanize /t͡ɬ/
Oh well alright, I'll try to incorporate that ^w^
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
Pa-gba̪n̂-glâ-çi n-ze-g̪u ĵa-ro̪d-bə n̂a-cikl do̪m-qər. Na-kpa-lʉ-tił kli̪¢-sân fûr di-çens, cef-ze-tu m-xa-r̂ʉ̪n "nĵe-ce", o̪p qi̪-ri mal n̂ih̪-dən "nĵe-¢e".
a a̪ â e e̪ ə ə̪ i i̪ o o̪ u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û
m n n̂ p p̪ b f t d c ç ¢ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł q r r̂ s kp gb x z
So firstly, there are two vowels that don't appear to have a pair - â and û.
Seems like Zulu to me
There seems to be voiced-unvoiced pairs of j l r kp
Square bracket = short, hat = long
c q x
m n n̂
p t ç ¢ k kl kp
b d - - g gl gb
p̪ - - - g̪
f s - h̪ - - h
j ł r
ĵ l r̂
| ! ǂ
m n - - ŋ
p t t∫ tɬ k q kp
b d - - g G gb
p̪ - - - ɠ
f s ∫ - x - - h
- z
j̈ ɬ r̤
j l r
When I look at the text again, I realize it looks really European, but I put in enough work on this. I'm not changing it.
pa•gbaŋGa:t∫i nze•ɠu ja•r̤odbə• ŋa•ci•q dom!ə•r̤. nakpalʉtiɬ qitɬsa:n fu:r di•t∫ens, |e•fze•tu• mǂarʉn "nje|e", o•p !ir̤i• ma•l ŋixdə•n "nje•tɬe•"
a b c d dy ee g i k l ll m n ny o p r rz t ty oo u uu y y
a a̪ â p p̪ b e e̪ ə ə̪ f t d c ç ¢ i i̪ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł m n n̂ o o̪ q r r̂ s u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û kp gb x z
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
"<¢> is probably my favorite way to romanize /t͡ɬ/
Oh well alright, I'll try to incorporate that ^w^
Pagba̪n̂glâçi nzeg̪u ĵaro̪dbə n̂acikl do̪mqər. Nakpalʉtił kli̪¢sân fûr diçens, cefzetu mxar̂ʉ̪n "nĵece", o̪p qi̪ri mal n̂ih̪dən "nĵe¢e".
Pa-gba̪n̂-glâ-çi n-ze-g̪u ĵa-ro̪d-bə n̂a-cikl do̪m-qər. Na-kpa-lʉ-tił kli̪¢-sân fûr di-çens, cef-ze-tu m-xa-r̂ʉ̪n "nĵe-ce", o̪p qi̪-ri mal n̂ih̪-dən "nĵe-¢e".
a a̪ â e e̪ ə ə̪ i i̪ o o̪ u u̪ ʉ ʉ̪ û
m n n̂ p p̪ b f t d c ç ¢ k kl g gl g̪ h h̪ j ĵ l ł q r r̂ s kp gb x z
So firstly, there are two vowels that don't appear to have a pair - â and û.
Seems like Zulu to me
There seems to be voiced-unvoiced pairs of j l r kp
Square bracket = short, hat = long
c q x
m n n̂
p t ç ¢ k kl kp
b d - - g gl gb
p̪ - - - g̪
f s - h̪ - - h
j ł r
ĵ l r̂
| ! ǂ
m n - - ŋ
p t t∫ tɬ k q kp
b d - - g G gb
p̪ - - - ɠ
f s ∫ - x - - h
- z
j̈ ɬ r̤
j l r
When I look at the text again, I realize it looks really European, but I put in enough work on this. I'm not changing it.
pa•gbaŋGa:t∫i nze•ɠu ja•r̤odbə• ŋa•ci•q dom!ə•r̤. nakpalʉtiɬ qitɬsa:n fu:r di•t∫ens, |e•fze•tu• mǂarʉn "nje|e", o•p !ir̤i• ma•l ŋixdə•n "nje•tɬe•"
a b c d dy ee g i k l ll m n ny o p r rz t ty oo u uu y y
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2
Oh. I didn’t recognize it.
How close or open is it? How front or back is it? I can’t find it on the vowel chart.
Unless it’s the close-mid central rounded thing?
….
Does that mean the grapheme after the psi is a thorn, not a wynn?
Or is it a sho? The x~h thing seems more like a Bactrian sho to me than like a thorn (or a wynn).
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