I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
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I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Ok, so, I would greatly appreciate help with a fictional language NIGHTMARE I’ve created in the form of syntax. I’ve made the morphology of my fictitious Shakoljeinese language so intertwined with the syntax that, combined with how complex the morphology already is… I need ideas and tips and suggestions and what have you, as I’m simply not a language builder. Not to mention I don’t really have any idea what syntax would work here with what I already have.
I’ve included the link to the language doc as well as to another doc that showcases the language in use so that y’all can get an idea of what I’m dealing with.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eQJ ... eDy_M/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ci ... M3rWE/edit
I’ve included the link to the language doc as well as to another doc that showcases the language in use so that y’all can get an idea of what I’m dealing with.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eQJ ... eDy_M/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ci ... M3rWE/edit
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Still need help brainstorming solutions on how to get started with this. This Shakoljeinese syntax nightmare is… something I genuinely haven’t been able to figure out any sort of a start on.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
I just want to say it's great that you've finally broken out of the English-relex mold.
I don't have any more ideas myself, but why do you include forms of "to be" (is, am, are) under the particle section? Especially when you have both words for "be" in the verb section?
I don't have any more ideas myself, but why do you include forms of "to be" (is, am, are) under the particle section? Especially when you have both words for "be" in the verb section?
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Alright, I accept that. That said, here’s something about Shakoljeinese that I imagine could help spark some conlang creativity: Languages evolve, for lack of a better term, over time, and Shakoljeinese was basically created as an alternative language to Indonesian for singing Mothra’s Song. After all, the Shakoljein tribe of the Mothra Islands sing this iconic song in my world, so it’d make sense for their language to be sung instead of Indonesian.
So one thing I’ve thought of is that, perhaps, Shakoljeinese could be viewed as a distant relative of modern Indonesian, but with all of the features currently described on the doc. I don’t know what that’d mean for the syntax, but maybe you have some ideas.
In all honesty, that was a leftover from the other language I’ve created. None of the meanings were moved around in the tables to support the fact I was starting up a new language when I made the new doc. I just took out the words and adjusted the ones I needed to as I added onto Shakoljeinese.Khemehekis wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 06:19 …but why do you include forms of "to be" (is, am, are) under the particle section? Especially when you have both words for "be" in the verb section?
I suppose I could look into getting rid of one of the words for be and moving the meanings around.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Have you looked at other Austronesian languages for inspiration?GodzillaLouise wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 13:33Alright, I accept that. That said, here’s something about Shakoljeinese that I imagine could help spark some conlang creativity: Languages evolve, for lack of a better term, over time, and Shakoljeinese was basically created as an alternative language to Indonesian for singing Mothra’s Song. After all, the Shakoljein tribe of the Mothra Islands sing this iconic song in my world, so it’d make sense for their language to be sung instead of Indonesian.
So one thing I’ve thought of is that, perhaps, Shakoljeinese could be viewed as a distant relative of modern Indonesian, but with all of the features currently described on the doc. I don’t know what that’d mean for the syntax, but maybe you have some ideas.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
I have not. Though, I just looked into it a tad, and I see that there's a lot of Austronesian languages. Any suggestions for what ones to look at?Creyeditor wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 21:47Have you looked at other Austronesian languages for inspiration?GodzillaLouise wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 13:33Alright, I accept that. That said, here’s something about Shakoljeinese that I imagine could help spark some conlang creativity: Languages evolve, for lack of a better term, over time, and Shakoljeinese was basically created as an alternative language to Indonesian for singing Mothra’s Song. After all, the Shakoljein tribe of the Mothra Islands sing this iconic song in my world, so it’d make sense for their language to be sung instead of Indonesian.
So one thing I’ve thought of is that, perhaps, Shakoljeinese could be viewed as a distant relative of modern Indonesian, but with all of the features currently described on the doc. I don’t know what that’d mean for the syntax, but maybe you have some ideas.
By the way, I just noticed I never really stated this, but the main issue that's keeping me from starting up on the syntax is the whole 'advanced diacritics' system I've created for Shakoljeinese, particularly with how it directly ties Shakoljeinese morphology to syntax.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Well, Javanese is pretty close to Indonesian. On the other hand, there is probably more documentation on languages like Tagalog online.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
I’m sorry but the documentation is really hard to navigate, at least on mobile. It might help if you squish the graph to remove the extra space. I’d also recommend putting your phonology in a list or chart, with the romanization right next to each phoneme, possibly connected with = or something.
Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
um...whose documentation?HolyHandGrenade! wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024 13:37 I’m sorry but the documentation is really hard to navigate, at least on mobile. It might help if you squish the graph to remove the extra space. I’d also recommend putting your phonology in a list or chart, with the romanization right next to each phoneme, possibly connected with = or something.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Shakoljeinese of courseKeenir wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024 04:29um...whose documentation?HolyHandGrenade! wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024 13:37 I’m sorry but the documentation is really hard to navigate, at least on mobile. It might help if you squish the graph to remove the extra space. I’d also recommend putting your phonology in a list or chart, with the romanization right next to each phoneme, possibly connected with = or something.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
OK, I understand now.GodzillaLouise wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 13:33In all honesty, that was a leftover from the other language I’ve created. None of the meanings were moved around in the tables to support the fact I was starting up a new language when I made the new doc. I just took out the words and adjusted the ones I needed to as I added onto Shakoljeinese.Khemehekis wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 06:19 …but why do you include forms of "to be" (is, am, are) under the particle section? Especially when you have both words for "be" in the verb section?
No! Keep both words! Just use them for different meanings of "be", as you've been doing.I suppose I could look into getting rid of one of the words for be and moving the meanings around.
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Re: I would appreciate help with a Shakoljeinese syntax Nightmare…
Alright, will do. Also, I’ve just added onto the document some Javanese-inspired registers in the syntax section, and while it’s a start, I’m not entirely sure they fit well into what I already had (not to mention any imaginable word order’s basically acceptable, depending on the level of formality of Shakoljeinese speakers now).Khemehekis wrote: ↑01 Nov 2024 06:10No! Keep both words! Just use them for different meanings of "be", as you've been doing.GodzillaLouise wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024 13:33 I suppose I could look into getting rid of one of the words for be and moving the meanings around.