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Welcome, everyone, to a game show I just made up called "Rate Your Conlang!"

So, the US Foreign Service Institute has a rating system that ranks languages from 1 to 5 in difficulty for English learners. Taking that premise, and assuming most here know English well enough, rate your conlangs accordingly!
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Based on my experiences in conlang relays, Yélian is a 3 I suppose.
The grammar at its core has many SAE'isms, even though it's agglutinative. The Phonology doesn't contain any sounds completely foreign to English speakers, although the assimilation processes in speech might require lots of listening comprehension trainings.
On the other hand, it's a priori, so learners will have to learn a big part of the vocabulary from scratch.
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From the relay it seems that Apásssa would be a 6 or a 7.
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Difficulty ranking for griushkoent: 1, very easy
Little to no grammar rules, and the pronunciation is familiar to English speakers. It's so easy that a simple-minded person like me can use it. Even people who receive my torch in relays understand it within minutes.
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Eh grammar-wise Commonthroat isn't very difficult, given that TheThief3 translated my torch in like 24 hours, far less time than it took me to make it. I've leaned toward minimalism, so there aren't a lot of inflections to memorize. Inflecting nouns for personal deixis, which I regard as its most "alien" feature, isn't even unheard of in human natlangs.

Now pronunciation would be an ∞ since humans can't pronounce it.
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Thanks to everyone who has posted. I would rate Skasti with a 4. It is fusional and synthetic in verbs, and boasts 17-18 cases in nouns, so that would throw many, I think. However, the grammar has been kept similar to English...kinda.
VaptuantaDoi wrote: 30 Nov 2024 08:05 From the relay it seems that Apásssa would be a 6 or a 7.
Well, it is a rating of up to only 5, so is yours almost absurdly difficult?
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What do all you English-speakers think of my Kankonian?
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Khemehekis wrote: 30 Nov 2024 23:49 https://khemehekis.angelfire.com/basic.htm

What do all you English-speakers think of my Kankonian?
I like the use of the linguolabial trill.

IIRC you started working on Kankonian in the late 90s. I didn't even start conlanging until fall of 2002 at the earliest and have been a consistent scrapper until joining this forum (with Minecraftian almost not dying on the vine but eventually becoming a victim of my ADHD). I commend your perseverance.
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lurker wrote: 01 Dec 2024 01:36
Khemehekis wrote: 30 Nov 2024 23:49 https://khemehekis.angelfire.com/basic.htm

What do all you English-speakers think of my Kankonian?
I like the use of the linguolabial trill.

IIRC you started working on Kankonian in the late 90s. I didn't even start conlanging until fall of 2002 at the earliest and have been a consistent scrapper until joining this forum (with Minecraftian almost not dying on the vine but eventually becoming a victim of my ADHD). I commend your perseverance.
Thanks.

However, I meant how would all of you rank Kankonian on the famous 1-5 scale of difficulty for Anglophones?

Also: neurodiversity. You have ADHD, I have OCD and synaesthesia.
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Khemehekis wrote: 01 Dec 2024 01:44 Thanks.

However, I meant how would all of you rank Kankonian on the famous 1-5 scale of difficulty for Anglophones?

Also: neurodiversity. You have ADHD, I have OCD and synaesthesia.
I would give it a 3. I wager any language that is kinda agglutinative is more akin to English. I saw a video where a guy did exactly what this post is about, essentially: rating *up to* what is the (near) polar opposite to English. His answer was Wayuu. I personally think that synthesis would throw an English speaker, every time. English really has no fusionality, at all, either. I could be wrong on that.

BTW, you have synesthesia? Which kind? I have grapheme-color synesthesia. Maybe, hyperlexia, too.
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Apásssa is inspired by Caddo, Pawnee and Wichita, which are all polysynthetic and to a degree fusional. Apásssa leans into the morphophonology side more and requires a deep analysis to tease apart morphemes, as Kiwikami can attest to. Phonologically it's fine apart from having arbitrarily long consonant clusters.
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DV82LECM wrote: 01 Dec 2024 02:13
Khemehekis wrote: 01 Dec 2024 01:44 Thanks.

However, I meant how would all of you rank Kankonian on the famous 1-5 scale of difficulty for Anglophones?

Also: neurodiversity. You have ADHD, I have OCD and synaesthesia.
I would give it a 3. I wager any language that is kinda agglutinative is more akin to English. I saw a video where a guy did exactly what this post is about, essentially: rating *up to* what is the (near) polar opposite to English. His answer was Wayuu. I personally think that synthesis would throw an English speaker, every time. English really has no fusionality, at all, either. I could be wrong on that.
A 3. I see!

Is the written apostrophe-s versus s-apostrophe on possessives a form of (orthographic) fusionality in English?
BTW, you have synesthesia? Which kind?
I have lexical-gustatory synaesthesia -- the kind of synaesthesia wherein people taste words. I actually feel as if I'm swallowing the words I hear and read and the objects I see. Phonemes can have individual tastes too (/p/ tastes like grape, /l/ like Swiss cheese, /z/ like peppermint or shredded coconut/almond). However, I also have OCD, so when I feel I'm swallowing a gross word (say, I hear or read "whxxps" and taste its whipped-cream-y sound, or "ice crxxm" -- blech!), I have to get to a restroom as fast as I can and do a ritual to "purge" it out of me.

I also have ticker-tape synaesthesia, which means I see words in front of me as I hear them spoken.

And yeah, I'm also hyperlexic.
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English is fusional in as much as it is really synthetic at all. But that's not really very significant with borderline cases like English. Like -s is fusional for present tense and 3rd person singular, but it's also the only present tense marker, and the only 3sg marker, so like who cares
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VaptuantaDoi wrote: 01 Dec 2024 03:51 English is fusional in as much as it is really synthetic at all. But that's not really very significant with borderline cases like English. Like -s is fusional for present tense and 3rd person singular, but it's also the only present tense marker, and the only 3sg marker, so like who cares
I wouldn't consider /-s/ "fusional," but productive. As for your overall premise, I look at a language like Georgian with some fear. I wager I could get it, but from my framework of English, what I foresee would be a massive headache. I do agree that English has the makings of a future synthetic language.
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DV82LECM wrote: 01 Dec 2024 04:37 I wouldn't consider /-s/ "fusional,"
It marks two different categories on one morpheme, so it's fusional.
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I don't think that's what fusional means
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Well, it is. Mild example or not.
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Fusional for me means multiple morphemes are rendered into a single morpheme whereas *-s is clearly two seperate morphemes
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thethief3 wrote: 01 Dec 2024 05:50 Fusional for me means multiple morphemes are rendered into a single morpheme whereas *-s is clearly two seperate morphemes
Pray tell what these two morphemes are. Maybe present tense -c and 3.sg. -ɔ, and they're on top of each other?
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3SDL rating:
difficulty 1
exoticism 5
average rate 3
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