I was stress testing my new Agyonnar verb inflections when I stumbled upon this lovely little thing: "Adarelama thoz." Translated, "Disappointingly, I was told by the host that the party will be starting later than expected." Pretty compact!
Disappointingly, I was told by the host that the party will be starting later than expected.
Agyonnar: Adarelama thoz.
Adarelama Thoz
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I was reluctant to put it in the first post since then it'd just get copied over and over for the whole thread, but here it is:
adar-el-ama thoz
party-PROS.INCH-MIR.HSY1 late
-el is prospective + incohative aspect. -ama is mirative + primary-source hearsay evidential. The prospective being used here shows how the speaker wants to put emphasis on how the anticipation of the future result will affect current planning. The primary-source hearsay is used when the person you received the information from is a person who is or was a direct participator in the action at hand (in the case of a party being delayed, that could only be the person in charge of making the decision behind the delay, the host.) The mirative could have been interpreted in a few ways without further context but I chose to interpret it as disappointment. All in all the whole thing's a bit contrived, but that's kinda the point.
adar-el-ama thoz
party-PROS.INCH-MIR.HSY1 late
-el is prospective + incohative aspect. -ama is mirative + primary-source hearsay evidential. The prospective being used here shows how the speaker wants to put emphasis on how the anticipation of the future result will affect current planning. The primary-source hearsay is used when the person you received the information from is a person who is or was a direct participator in the action at hand (in the case of a party being delayed, that could only be the person in charge of making the decision behind the delay, the host.) The mirative could have been interpreted in a few ways without further context but I chose to interpret it as disappointment. All in all the whole thing's a bit contrived, but that's kinda the point.
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Re: Adarelama Thoz
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Akébaba ut unipabódaion kraion defri brotuntat bretisat.
a-kéb-aba ut uni-p<ab>ó<da>i-on krai-on de-fri bro<tu>nt-at bre<ti>s-at.
1SG-tell-PASS that 3.POSS-<NMLZ.ACT>happen<AUG>-DEF.SG host-DEF.SG 3SG.S-start FUT<AUG.ELA>-SG surprise<DIM.ELA>-SG
I was told that the host's party will be starting later than expected, dissapointingly.
I guess this means that akébo 'to tell s.th.' has an irregular passive interpretation now. But you cannot readd the agent, so I made it the host's party instead. unipabódaion 'a party of' is one of the longest words so far. Adverbs come at the end, and I already had a root for ... surprise .... surprise , which I could use to derive a not-enough-surprise, i.e. a dissappointment. And then I started to wonder what to do about the future and the word later. And then it hit me. If the future marker brontat is an adverb, it can get an augmentative-elative, i.e. an event can be too far in the future. Et voila, only two adverbs instead of three.
Akébaba ut unipabódaion kraion defri brotuntat bretisat.
a-kéb-aba ut uni-p<ab>ó<da>i-on krai-on de-fri bro<tu>nt-at bre<ti>s-at.
1SG-tell-PASS that 3.POSS-<NMLZ.ACT>happen<AUG>-DEF.SG host-DEF.SG 3SG.S-start FUT<AUG.ELA>-SG surprise<DIM.ELA>-SG
I was told that the host's party will be starting later than expected, dissapointingly.
I guess this means that akébo 'to tell s.th.' has an irregular passive interpretation now. But you cannot readd the agent, so I made it the host's party instead. unipabódaion 'a party of' is one of the longest words so far. Adverbs come at the end, and I already had a root for ... surprise .... surprise , which I could use to derive a not-enough-surprise, i.e. a dissappointment. And then I started to wonder what to do about the future and the word later. And then it hit me. If the future marker brontat is an adverb, it can get an augmentative-elative, i.e. an event can be too far in the future. Et voila, only two adverbs instead of three.
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Re: Adarelama Thoz
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LªM½Qe¹FA¿M
(addition, necessarily not now, of us disappointed now...)
LªM½Qe¹FA¿M
(addition, necessarily not now, of us disappointed now...)
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Ärque
Ärque is intended to be as pithy as possible, although I couldn't quite get it down to two words; we'll have to live with three. It is however quite different in formation from Micamo's original - literally, "the party having been delayed, I was informed by the host (dissapointingly)".
Euphästaneođđuümut esoviunum ozzomasla.
[ˈeu̯pʰæstaˌne͡oðːʷymut ˈesoβʲuˌnum ˈod͡ːzoˌmazla]
eu-ph-ästa-n-eođđuü=mut e-s-oviu-n=m o-azzo=asla
COMPL.PPL-go.SG-delay-FACT-party=3.INCHO REAL-do.SG-ear-FACT=1.PFV OBL-host=dissapointingly
"Disappointingly, I was told by the host that the party will be starting later than expected."
Ärque enjoys participles more than relative clauses.
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Ärque is intended to be as pithy as possible, although I couldn't quite get it down to two words; we'll have to live with three. It is however quite different in formation from Micamo's original - literally, "the party having been delayed, I was informed by the host (dissapointingly)".
Euphästaneođđuümut esoviunum ozzomasla.
[ˈeu̯pʰæstaˌne͡oðːʷymut ˈesoβʲuˌnum ˈod͡ːzoˌmazla]
eu-ph-ästa-n-eođđuü=mut e-s-oviu-n=m o-azzo=asla
COMPL.PPL-go.SG-delay-FACT-party=3.INCHO REAL-do.SG-ear-FACT=1.PFV OBL-host=dissapointingly
"Disappointingly, I was told by the host that the party will be starting later than expected."
Ärque enjoys participles more than relative clauses.
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Bico a'pílator pi æ'pralet rovalatscedeadiysendaraperdet denialbaracó.
[ˈbiːkɔ̈ ɐˈpiːlɐtɔ̈d̟ pi əˈpɾaːlət ɾɔ̈ˌvaːlɐt͡skəˌdeː.ɐda̯iːˌsendɐɾɐˈpeɾdə‿ˈdeːnɪ̯ɐlbɐɾɐˌkoː]
say-INV.1SG DEF.ANIM=host that DEF.CONC=party FUT-DIR.EVI-in_a_disappointing_manner-late-COMP-begin-3SG planning-original
I was told by the host that the party will disappointingly start later than the original plan.
Bico a'pílator pi æ'pralet rovalatscedeadiysendaraperdet denialbaracó.
[ˈbiːkɔ̈ ɐˈpiːlɐtɔ̈d̟ pi əˈpɾaːlət ɾɔ̈ˌvaːlɐt͡skəˌdeː.ɐda̯iːˌsendɐɾɐˈpeɾdə‿ˈdeːnɪ̯ɐlbɐɾɐˌkoː]
say-INV.1SG DEF.ANIM=host that DEF.CONC=party FUT-DIR.EVI-in_a_disappointing_manner-late-COMP-begin-3SG planning-original
I was told by the host that the party will disappointingly start later than the original plan.
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