Philosophy Thread

[Torco]

We call things yellow because the color of an object affects how we think about it and interact with it. Maybe the purpose of dividing things into good and evil is to change how we think about them and interact with them, and thus defining evil is vitally important. Or at least, classification itself is vitally important. You could argue that good vs evil isn’t the best dichotomy…

i don't think so: colour is not some inherent property of objects, it's just that some ways to reflect or emit light give us the sensation of yellow, but that's as much to do with the structure of our eyes and minds and bodies as it is with the materiality of the thing-in-itself, much less the thing-in-iself being infused with some property of "yellowness", not to talk of yellowness being a thing what actually exists: almost everything is like this: beer is "good" (in the sense that it's fun to drink blabla) because it has alcohol *and* because our bodies are such that when we have alcohol in our gut it goes to the blood and then causes this and that psychotropic effect, not because it participates in some trasncendental "goodness" or "funness": for a different kind of animal, or even a person who has changed their body enough, beer, the same beer that gets me drunk, may be as psychotropic as tap water.

so my thought is that sure, let's catalogue things that are good for us and bad for us for any given 'us' and for any given circumstance and accident that affects our interaction with each thing, but let's not delude ourselves that we're finding some transcendental 'goodness'

[lsd]

words are the maximum transcendence we can achieve,
and yes they are the result of our perception,
because perception is our only possible apprehension of the world...

[TBPO]

words are the maximum transcendence we can achieve,
and yes they are the result of our perception,
because perception is our only possible apprehension of the world...

Your opinion is as true as opinion that words limit our worldview or opinion that we can gain serious knowledge with reason or faith.

[lsd]

I don't see any contradiction in that...
maximum transcendence also implies maximum limitation,
and I include faith and reason in world perceptions...

but this is very personal, it's not about proselytizing...
it's just my way of conlanging...

[eldin raigmore]

reality …(snipped to save space)…

No. Some people think entirely in pictures, not words.

Citation please???

Maybe Eldin's thinking about people like Temple Grandin?

Exactly, @Khemehekis!

(Also @HolyHandGrenade.)

[WizardOfWar]

I'm a optimist and slightly a stoic

[Man in Space]

The distinction between the common perceptions of a religion and an ideology is often simply that a religion includes a theist cosmology.

The point remains that many people deny they believe in something simply because they ridicule the religious, while failing to realize they have their own religion-like beliefs. For my purposes I reckon ideologies as religion.

Since we’re on the subject of philosophy, everybody—short of divine intervention—is trash, at least in one way or another. Me, you, my Babcia, the Dalai Lama…everyone walking this earth.

[HolyHandGrenade!]

The point remains that many people deny they believe in something simply because they ridicule the religious, while failing to realize they have their own religion-like beliefs. For my purposes I reckon ideologies as religion.

I agree. I also see a similar thing with how the term ideological has become a dirty word. A lot of people will call themselves non-ideological, or attack something by calling it ideological. But ideology is not a bad thing; it is merely an extension of morality.

Since we’re on the subject of philosophy, everybody—short of divine intervention—is trash, at least in one way or another. Me, you, my Babcia, the Dalai Lama…everyone walking this earth.

Can you explain this more? Are you talking about mortal insignificance or moral imperfection? Is this coming from a Christian or other religious view?

[Khemehekis]

Is this coming from a Christian or other religious view?

Man in Space is a Ltheran, so it's probably coming from a Christian view.

[HolyHandGrenade!]

Is this coming from a Christian or other religious view?

Man in Space is a Ltheran, so it's probably coming from a Christian view.

Ok that clears it up.

[Khemehekis]

reality …(snipped to save space)…

No. Some people think entirely in pictures, not words.

Citation please???

Maybe Eldin's thinking about people like Temple Grandin?

Exactly, @Khemehekis!

(Also @HolyHandGrenade.)

And at the other end of the spectrum is aphantasia. Aphantastics think entirely in words, not in pictures.

[Man in Space]

Is this coming from a Christian or other religious view?

Man in Space is a Ltheran, so it's probably coming from a Christian view.

Ok that clears it up.

It’s a major reason why I so vehemently oppose cancel culture, which is essentially the freeware version of murder—you cancel someone, you’re encouraging employers not to hire or pay them, breadmakers not to feed them, residences not to shelter them…without these things a man cannot continue to live.

[lsd]

reality …(snipped to save space)…

No. Some people think entirely in pictures, not words.

Citation please???

Maybe Eldin's thinking about people like Temple Grandin?

Exactly, @Khemehekis!
(Also @HolyHandGrenade.)

And at the other end of the spectrum is aphantasia. Aphantastics think entirely in words, not in pictures.

we function by association,
most of the time unconsciously,
and in this case without resorting to language...

yet when it comes to complex reasoning,
language is the most efficient to combine these associations...

however, people who have different configurations
mobilize other means,
I think most often in a less efficient way,
but for some in a more efficient way
(unless the majority is so superior that they escape our perception...)

Man in Space is a Ltheran, so it's probably coming from a Christian view.

It’s a major reason why I so vehemently oppose cancel culture, which is essentially the freeware version of murder—you cancel someone, you’re encouraging employers not to hire or pay them, breadmakers not to feed them, residences not to shelter them…without these things a man cannot continue to live.

no need for religion or philosophy to reject
the Orwellian means of the proponents of contemporary wooden language,
but a little ideology is necessary to adopt them...