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An illustrative example of the noosphere
Earlier I mentioned that most branches of Neoshamanism regard the noosphere as a spiritual phenomenon rather than an abstract concept as envisioned in the Bright Way.
Further, Neoshamanists believe that all consciousness emanates from the noosphere, and that consciousness can manifest to a greater or lesser degree in a physical system depending on that system's complexity. The brain of a sophont is a very complex physical system, so it serves as the perfect vessel for consciousness.
Every idea that has ever or will ever or even could ever exist also resides fully formed within the noosphere. When a sophont thinks of something new, they're not inventing it, they're discovering that corner of noosphere where it had always existed. The noosphere is a churning chaos of white noise that occasionally resolves into something intelligible. To fathom the depths of the noosphere is like tuning the dial on a short-wave radio, with snatches of words or music fading in and out of the noise.
This portion of a Hellschreiber QSO I found the other day between two people in Florida provides a very nice visual of what I'm thinking.
Further, Neoshamanists believe that all consciousness emanates from the noosphere, and that consciousness can manifest to a greater or lesser degree in a physical system depending on that system's complexity. The brain of a sophont is a very complex physical system, so it serves as the perfect vessel for consciousness.
Every idea that has ever or will ever or even could ever exist also resides fully formed within the noosphere. When a sophont thinks of something new, they're not inventing it, they're discovering that corner of noosphere where it had always existed. The noosphere is a churning chaos of white noise that occasionally resolves into something intelligible. To fathom the depths of the noosphere is like tuning the dial on a short-wave radio, with snatches of words or music fading in and out of the noise.
This portion of a Hellschreiber QSO I found the other day between two people in Florida provides a very nice visual of what I'm thinking.
Archeonets and Cyberarcheology
Much like humanity, the yinrih's information age dawned around the same time they achieved spaceflight. Through the millennia their internetwork has grown in size and complexity as they settled throughout Focus, and by the time of First Contact they have amassed 95 thousand Earth years of digital information.
When you live over 700 years, you have to think long-term. There are data centers filled with storage servers that are built to operate independently for millennia. To err is vulpithecine, and sometimes these servers are left forgotten to run on their own.
The discipline of cyberarcheology specializes in ferreting out these lost archeonets and uncovering their secrets. Cyberarcheologists specialize in dead programming languages, obsolete data storage formats, outmoded hardware architectures, and long superseded network protocols.
The Farspeakers have a keen interest in cyberarcheology as they want to preserve the system their predecessors built. There is also a thriving amateur cyberarcheology community whose interests range from finding lost media from one's own puppyhood to preserving vintage tech from before the end of the Terran ice age.
When you live over 700 years, you have to think long-term. There are data centers filled with storage servers that are built to operate independently for millennia. To err is vulpithecine, and sometimes these servers are left forgotten to run on their own.
The discipline of cyberarcheology specializes in ferreting out these lost archeonets and uncovering their secrets. Cyberarcheologists specialize in dead programming languages, obsolete data storage formats, outmoded hardware architectures, and long superseded network protocols.
The Farspeakers have a keen interest in cyberarcheology as they want to preserve the system their predecessors built. There is also a thriving amateur cyberarcheology community whose interests range from finding lost media from one's own puppyhood to preserving vintage tech from before the end of the Terran ice age.
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Regarding the yinti:
On a more serious note, it makes sense that, just as many human cryptids and legendary creatures are humanoid in form, the yinrih’s cryptids might be vulpithecene (sp?) in form.
With regard to the most recent post, the discipline of cyberarcheology makes a lot of sense in the context of the yinrih, and it may well become increasingly important in our own future as well.
This description made me think of two things; the most immediate was this:More fanciful legends speak of it simply killing out of aggression or malice rather than predation, bouncing elastically back to to the clifftop after dispatching its victim.
The second, however, was a video I once saw of a performance by members of Cirque de Soleil, in which the trapeze artists leapt from a height onto a trapeze, and bounced back again to their previous position.Yukon Cornelius wrote:Didn’t I ever tell you about Bumbles? Bumbles bounce!
On a more serious note, it makes sense that, just as many human cryptids and legendary creatures are humanoid in form, the yinrih’s cryptids might be vulpithecene (sp?) in form.
With regard to the most recent post, the discipline of cyberarcheology makes a lot of sense in the context of the yinrih, and it may well become increasingly important in our own future as well.
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That was my principle inspiration.
It's either "vulpithecine" or "vulpithecin". The first is a more generic term that mostly means "of or relating to yinrih", and the second is a way to refer to yinrih and tree dwellers as a genus (compare with hominin to refer to H. sapiens plus our extinct congeners.)
Also, behold the mankey fox!
I considered introducing this as a cryptid resulting from genetic experiments by Partisan scientists, but couldn't make it interesting, plus I've now established that Yih life is not DNA-based so a mankey fox would be less believable, although since it's a cryptid rock hard science isn't exactly the point.
One of my favorite aspects of network administration is seeing a host on a network scan. You can ping it, you may even be able to ssh into it, but you have no clue what it does or even where it is. You can't turn it off because you're not sure if it's a critical system, or you're afraid to turn it off because the uptime says it's been on since the Bush administration and you're not sure if it'll boot again. Networks can quickly become black boxes even to those that built it if documentation isn't maintained or institutional knowledge is lost. I love making maps of unknown networks.
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Yinrih consume a similar variety of media as humans. There are experiences similar to movies and TV shows as well as print and audio media. The phrase "canned play/drama" is used to refer to what humans call movies and serialized TV shows.
One of the more unusual ways yinrih consume media is via text stream. This is text received in real-time through the ansible network. It can be read directly by the person receiving it or it can be recited by a speech synthesizer. These synths are treated a lot like humans treat fonts, with different synths being judged appropriate for specific types of media. With a bit of text markup, one can also achieve passable, though still obviously synthetic, dramatic dialogue with different synths voicing different characters, or, should the listener be so inclined, a single synth can affect different voices in imitation of a narrator telling a story.
One of the reasons the Allied Worlds has achieved cultural hegemony is through its STL orbital repeater network. These are artificial satellites that act as conventional realspace radio repeaters placed at intervals between the planets of the AW, allowing for very fast (though still not real-time) data transfer. Entire high-definition video files can be propagated from one end of the AW to the other in anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on the position of the start and end points at the time. This allows entire movies or shows to be distributed across the region in a timely fashion, allowing media companies to reach a very wide audience.
After the initial wave of human media hits Focus following First Contact, a distinct "Terranesque" style emerges, yinrih creators making media aimed at a primarily cynoid audience, but heavily influenced by human culture. Compare the phenomenon of Western cartoons informed by anime tropes.
There is a small but dedicated human fandom for such media, which derives entertainment as much from yinrih misconceptions about human nature and odd interpretations of Terran cultural touchstones as from the media itself.
While stories of talking animals are as common among yinrih as humans, one particular quirk of such stories inspired by Terran culture is that, since the yinrih are fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails living in a world designed for fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails already, Terran animal characters look much closer to how they do in real life, such as not walking on their hind feet. But if an animal has a tail at all, it's bound to be prehensile.
Another quirk is how clothing is portrayed. Even in serious works it's colorful and outlandish. Humans often compare it to the styles found in anime. Fortunately, yinrih understand that humans don't go naked in public, but yinrih are fixated on humans' use of clothing as a social signal while ignoring the more mundane use of clothing as a practical tool. More savvy cynoid creators will poke fun at this cultural difference in a nod to human fans. One memorable scene from a particular political satire depicts a Partisan diplomat discussing a military alliance with Mainland China. The Partisan strides into the room, his tail aloft and ears erect in a display of dominance to counter the human's intimidating height. This show of confidence is marred by his tee-shirt, backwards, of course, with "I'm with Stupid" printed on it.
One of the more unusual ways yinrih consume media is via text stream. This is text received in real-time through the ansible network. It can be read directly by the person receiving it or it can be recited by a speech synthesizer. These synths are treated a lot like humans treat fonts, with different synths being judged appropriate for specific types of media. With a bit of text markup, one can also achieve passable, though still obviously synthetic, dramatic dialogue with different synths voicing different characters, or, should the listener be so inclined, a single synth can affect different voices in imitation of a narrator telling a story.
One of the reasons the Allied Worlds has achieved cultural hegemony is through its STL orbital repeater network. These are artificial satellites that act as conventional realspace radio repeaters placed at intervals between the planets of the AW, allowing for very fast (though still not real-time) data transfer. Entire high-definition video files can be propagated from one end of the AW to the other in anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on the position of the start and end points at the time. This allows entire movies or shows to be distributed across the region in a timely fashion, allowing media companies to reach a very wide audience.
After the initial wave of human media hits Focus following First Contact, a distinct "Terranesque" style emerges, yinrih creators making media aimed at a primarily cynoid audience, but heavily influenced by human culture. Compare the phenomenon of Western cartoons informed by anime tropes.
There is a small but dedicated human fandom for such media, which derives entertainment as much from yinrih misconceptions about human nature and odd interpretations of Terran cultural touchstones as from the media itself.
While stories of talking animals are as common among yinrih as humans, one particular quirk of such stories inspired by Terran culture is that, since the yinrih are fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails living in a world designed for fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails already, Terran animal characters look much closer to how they do in real life, such as not walking on their hind feet. But if an animal has a tail at all, it's bound to be prehensile.
Another quirk is how clothing is portrayed. Even in serious works it's colorful and outlandish. Humans often compare it to the styles found in anime. Fortunately, yinrih understand that humans don't go naked in public, but yinrih are fixated on humans' use of clothing as a social signal while ignoring the more mundane use of clothing as a practical tool. More savvy cynoid creators will poke fun at this cultural difference in a nod to human fans. One memorable scene from a particular political satire depicts a Partisan diplomat discussing a military alliance with Mainland China. The Partisan strides into the room, his tail aloft and ears erect in a display of dominance to counter the human's intimidating height. This show of confidence is marred by his tee-shirt, backwards, of course, with "I'm with Stupid" printed on it.
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I love this so much. This very unique and I would love to see a terranesque movie. So the text streams is basically a combination of an ebook and a podcast?lurker wrote: ↑08 Jan 2025 00:18 Yinrih consume a similar variety of media as humans. There are experiences similar to movies and TV shows as well as print and audio media. The phrase "canned play/drama" is used to refer to what humans call movies and serialized TV shows.
One of the more unusual ways yinrih consume media is via text stream. This is text received in real-time through the ansible network. It can be read directly by the person receiving it or it can be recited by a speech synthesizer. These synths are treated a lot like humans treat fonts, with different synths being judged appropriate for specific types of media. With a bit of text markup, one can also achieve passable, though still obviously synthetic, dramatic dialogue with different synths voicing different characters, or, should the listener be so inclined, a single synth can affect different voices in imitation of a narrator telling a story.
One of the reasons the Allied Worlds has achieved cultural hegemony is through its STL orbital repeater network. These are artificial satellites that act as conventional realspace radio repeaters placed at intervals between the planets of the AW, allowing for very fast (though still not real-time) data transfer. Entire high-definition video files can be propagated from one end of the AW to the other in anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on the position of the start and end points at the time. This allows entire movies or shows to be distributed across the region in a timely fashion, allowing media companies to reach a very wide audience.
After the initial wave of human media hits Focus following First Contact, a distinct "Terranesque" style emerges, yinrih creators making media aimed at a primarily cynoid audience, but heavily influenced by human culture. Compare the phenomenon of Western cartoons informed by anime tropes.
There is a small but dedicated human fandom for such media, which derives entertainment as much from yinrih misconceptions about human nature and odd interpretations of Terran cultural touchstones as from the media itself.
While stories of talking animals are as common among yinrih as humans, one particular quirk of such stories inspired by Terran culture is that, since the yinrih are fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails living in a world designed for fur-bearing quadrupeds with tails already, Terran animal characters look much closer to how they do in real life, such as not walking on their hind feet. But if an animal has a tail at all, it's bound to be prehensile.
Another quirk is how clothing is portrayed. Even in serious works it's colorful and outlandish. Humans often compare it to the styles found in anime. Fortunately, yinrih understand that humans don't go naked in public, but yinrih are fixated on humans' use of clothing as a social signal while ignoring the more mundane use of clothing as a practical tool. More savvy cynoid creators will poke fun at this cultural difference in a nod to human fans. One memorable scene from a particular political satire depicts a Partisan diplomat discussing a military alliance with Mainland China. The Partisan strides into the room, his tail aloft and ears erect in a display of dominance to counter the human's intimidating height. This show of confidence is marred by his tee-shirt, backwards, of course, with "I'm with Stupid" printed on it.
The canons of Claravian scripture
Claravian scripture is divided into two categories. The first is a very small protocanon consisting of contemporary documents of newly sapient yinrih, accounts of the Theophany and emergence of the Bright Way. Lists of moral precepts and norms governing liturgies and major feasts are also included. The protocanon is most similar to the Bible or Qur'an, in that it is considered to have divine authority and to be inerrant in the sense that everything written within imparts necessary perennial spiritual information, and is at least broadly correct historically. It is of little concern, for example, if two accounts of the life of a particular prophetess differ on whether she delivered a public sermon before entering a particular settlement or as she was leaving. The sermon itself is what matters.
There is also a much, much larger deuterocanon containing works spanning a wide variety of genres and even media formats. These are works judged to be spiritually efficacious but may or may not be divinely inspired. A passage from the protocanon is read at each liturgy according to a universal liturgical calendar. A selection from the deuterocanon is also read, but the exact selection is left up to the hearthkeeper.
There is also a much, much larger deuterocanon containing works spanning a wide variety of genres and even media formats. These are works judged to be spiritually efficacious but may or may not be divinely inspired. A passage from the protocanon is read at each liturgy according to a universal liturgical calendar. A selection from the deuterocanon is also read, but the exact selection is left up to the hearthkeeper.
Port side view of a womb ship
The hatch is at the forward end of the ship. The shroud protecting the pressure vessel has a sensor array that is fed into the simulacrum in realtime. Log summaries are sent in batches at regular intervals through the ansible back to mission control as well. The ship's leasemind will log what it thinks are technosignatures (usually non random radio emissions), but false positives are not uncommon and mission control must wait for a confirmation from one of the missionaries before reporting that life has been found.
The ring encircling the ship is the main force projector array. It's used at the beginning of the journey to accelerate the ship to relativistic speed. It slows the ship down when entering a solar system. Landing is accomplished by projecting a force opposing the ship's velocity vector until the ship achieves zero ground speed, whereupon the force projector array is jettisoned and the ship plummets to the ground, deploying a parachute once the air gets thick enough and landing skids just before touchdown.
Reentry is rough, and since the healer has to be yeaned first in order to oversee the safe yeaning of the rest of the crew, she's usually coming out of suspension while the ship is landing.
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I agree. Popular culture is something that works of science fiction and fantasy often fail to delve into (although I can think of some major exceptions).HolyHandGrenade wrote: I love this so much. This very unique and I would love to see a terranesque movie.
Are these retained in the original language(s)? Given the many thousands of years that have passed, I assume that the language would have changed entirely out of recognition, even with the yinrih’s long lifespans.* If they are, are they also periodically retranslated into current language(s) for the benefit of believers? What language is used for the liturgical readings?lurker wrote: Claravian scripture is divided into two categories. The first is a very small protocanon consisting of contemporary documents of newly sapient yinrih, accounts of the Theophany and emergence of the Bright Way.
*When you first mentioned the yinrih’s longevity, I wondered whether that had been true throughout the history of the species, or whether it was due in part to the advancement of their medical science, but you have indicated since that the yinrih have always been long-lived.
So the crew is not taken out of suspension on the approach to a destination, but only when the ship is actually landing and/or landed? I suppose that would save on life support…lurker wrote: Reentry is rough, and since the healer has to be yeaned first in order to oversee the safe yeaning of the rest of the crew, she's usually coming out of suspension while the ship is landing.
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I tried writing a story along these lines, but lost steam. I might post the draft at some point anyway. It was exhausting trying to write a story as though I were a yinrih trying to interpret human culture.
I've heard it said it takes about 10 thousand years for the descendants of a language to evolve past the point that their protolanguage can be reconstructed, and I assume in the process making it impossible to establish genetic relationships between them. If you factor in the yinrih's longer lifespan the 100 thousand years between the Kindling and First Contact equates to about the same time span.Glenn wrote: ↑10 Jan 2025 04:12 Are these retained in the original language(s)? Given the many thousands of years that have passed, I assume that the language would have changed entirely out of recognition, even with the yinrih’s long lifespans.* If they are, are they also periodically retranslated into current language(s) for the benefit of believers? What language is used for the liturgical readings?
The protocanonical scriptures are in the primordial written-only language. A polished standard of this language is the Bright Way's official liturgical language. The primordial spoken language may be lost by the time of First Contact. Current lore has it that the original spoken/written diglossia collapsed to form a more familiar spoken language with a straightforward written form in a similar way to how human language may have had competing or complimentary spoken and signed systems that coalesced into a spoken language.
The scriptures, possibly including a few autographs, are preserved in the original language but are translated as needed. Because the primordial language does not represent spoken sounds it can't be "read" aloud, so the readings during liturgy is conducted in the vernacular using officially sanctioned translations.
The lore on this is still up in the air. I offhandedly mention that Firefly et al. briefly came out of suspension upon arriving at the exoplanet they thought would have other sophonts on it and had to reenter suspension for the trip home, but I think just staying in suspension until the ship lands makes more sense.
I may change it so that the healer is actually the last to come out of suspension, staying in sim to supervise the others using remote sensors and possibly a micro mech to conduct physical exams, but for now Sunshine gets to be the first to be decanted.
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Thank you for your answers!
I guess that does makes sense, due to the fact that the sim environment enables the crew to communication with each other and the ship while in suspension, as opposed to the more usual portrayals of spaceship crews in suspension found in most science fiction, in which they are unconscious and non-responsive.lurker wrote: ↑11 Jan 2025 17:59The lore on this is still up in the air. I offhandedly mention that Firefly et al. briefly came out of suspension upon arriving at the exoplanet they thought would have other sophonts on it and had to reenter suspension for the trip home, but I think just staying in suspension until the ship lands makes more sense.
A Terranesque story (sort of)
The following was a draft of a Terranesque story I attempted to write. It incorporated the idea of coexisting sapient predators and prey I mentioned in the random conworld ideas thread. Since the prey in that post were basically just rabbits I made the predators basically just foxes because I'm lazy.
I attempted a couple things to make it clear the story wasn't written by a human. A second floor is mentioned repeatedly but no mention is made of stairs. Yinrih prefer ladders, and on low gravity worlds may simply have a bare landing that they jump up and down from. A character wraps his tail around something despite Terran foxes not having prehensile tails. Odd clothing choices are mentioned. I tried to be vague and contradictory about how anthropomorphic the characters are, like the quadrupedal author isn't sure how to depict these alien critters looking and acting like another alien critter. If I had continued the story, the characters would not sleep, at night or otherwise.
The main reason I lost interest is that I'm not confident enough at writing normal prose to attempt such an avant-garde and meta concept as in-universe fiction written by an alien trying to affect a human style.
So here it is, take it or leave it.
And here's a bit of Watsonian commentary:
This story is typical of the Moonlitter literary tradition. The region lacks Hearthside's unreserved positivity toward faith, but also lacks the indifference seen in media produced in the Allied Worlds or the hostility common to Partisan offerings. Instead the attitude toward religon commonly seen around Moonlitter is one of melancholy nostalgia. A strong religious component to society may be a memory of the past, but it is a happy memory.
The theme of multiple sapient species trying to coexist is ubiquitous through place and time at Focus, with its roots in Claravian morality plays about First Contact. Pre-contact stories featuring animals in these roles were almost as common as those featuring the yinrih and other alien sophonts.
The author shows a keen interest in the events affecting humanity around the time of First Contact, and has overlaid the themes mentioned above. The yinrih do not share humanity's historic assumption that rational species must be bipedal, but also understands that humans do tend to have this assumption, but dithers on whether to depict the characters as humanoid, vulpithecine, or something else.
I attempted a couple things to make it clear the story wasn't written by a human. A second floor is mentioned repeatedly but no mention is made of stairs. Yinrih prefer ladders, and on low gravity worlds may simply have a bare landing that they jump up and down from. A character wraps his tail around something despite Terran foxes not having prehensile tails. Odd clothing choices are mentioned. I tried to be vague and contradictory about how anthropomorphic the characters are, like the quadrupedal author isn't sure how to depict these alien critters looking and acting like another alien critter. If I had continued the story, the characters would not sleep, at night or otherwise.
The main reason I lost interest is that I'm not confident enough at writing normal prose to attempt such an avant-garde and meta concept as in-universe fiction written by an alien trying to affect a human style.
So here it is, take it or leave it.
Spoiler:
This story is typical of the Moonlitter literary tradition. The region lacks Hearthside's unreserved positivity toward faith, but also lacks the indifference seen in media produced in the Allied Worlds or the hostility common to Partisan offerings. Instead the attitude toward religon commonly seen around Moonlitter is one of melancholy nostalgia. A strong religious component to society may be a memory of the past, but it is a happy memory.
The theme of multiple sapient species trying to coexist is ubiquitous through place and time at Focus, with its roots in Claravian morality plays about First Contact. Pre-contact stories featuring animals in these roles were almost as common as those featuring the yinrih and other alien sophonts.
The author shows a keen interest in the events affecting humanity around the time of First Contact, and has overlaid the themes mentioned above. The yinrih do not share humanity's historic assumption that rational species must be bipedal, but also understands that humans do tend to have this assumption, but dithers on whether to depict the characters as humanoid, vulpithecine, or something else.
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Some more info dumps of ideas I had for this story before I realized I was making a conworld within another conworld.
The funeral practice that was supposed to be the point of the story involved the rabbits growing a plant atop the foxes' graves to be eaten, and the foxes defleshing and eating the rabbits after death, returning the bones to the family to be buried. Specific people are chosen in advance to do this, a bit like godparents when a child is baptized or a best man/maid of honor at a wedding. Frank's family and Roland's family are each other's "sponsors" for lack of a better term.
This is Roland's second bout of cancer. It has metastasized, and he has elected to allow nature to take its course rather than suffer through chemo.
Frank originally shared his wife's piety, and they prayed fervently for a positive outcome when Roland was first diagnosed. Their prayers seemed to work, with Roland going into remission for several years. Frank lapses after Roland's second more dire diagnosis, since it seems pointlessly cruel to be given hope only to have it snatched away again.
This setting was intended to be the aftermath of a high fantasy world after the magic went away a thousand years prior. The residents have had to develop modern technology to replace the absent magic, and the prior world is the stuff of myth dismissed as medieval superstition by modern scholars. During this time of legend there were paladins and clerics able to wield divine magic, but all that remains of the clerics is the much more mundane temple priesthood, and the paladins have been reduced to a fraternal organization doing charity work.
Roland (and nominally Frank before he lapsed) are members of this order of paladins, hence Roland's pectoral medal. Instead of going on fantastic adventures they get drunk and play ping pong.
Roland has remained upbeat despite his terminal cancer because his faith has given meaning to his suffering. Frank, however, has accepted the modern scholarly consensus that the religion was invented by the foxes to make the rabbits happy to be eaten.
I may revisit the pandemic concept in the Lonely Galaxy proper, with the yinrih getting sick and humans having to help save them.
The funeral practice that was supposed to be the point of the story involved the rabbits growing a plant atop the foxes' graves to be eaten, and the foxes defleshing and eating the rabbits after death, returning the bones to the family to be buried. Specific people are chosen in advance to do this, a bit like godparents when a child is baptized or a best man/maid of honor at a wedding. Frank's family and Roland's family are each other's "sponsors" for lack of a better term.
This is Roland's second bout of cancer. It has metastasized, and he has elected to allow nature to take its course rather than suffer through chemo.
Frank originally shared his wife's piety, and they prayed fervently for a positive outcome when Roland was first diagnosed. Their prayers seemed to work, with Roland going into remission for several years. Frank lapses after Roland's second more dire diagnosis, since it seems pointlessly cruel to be given hope only to have it snatched away again.
This setting was intended to be the aftermath of a high fantasy world after the magic went away a thousand years prior. The residents have had to develop modern technology to replace the absent magic, and the prior world is the stuff of myth dismissed as medieval superstition by modern scholars. During this time of legend there were paladins and clerics able to wield divine magic, but all that remains of the clerics is the much more mundane temple priesthood, and the paladins have been reduced to a fraternal organization doing charity work.
Roland (and nominally Frank before he lapsed) are members of this order of paladins, hence Roland's pectoral medal. Instead of going on fantastic adventures they get drunk and play ping pong.
Roland has remained upbeat despite his terminal cancer because his faith has given meaning to his suffering. Frank, however, has accepted the modern scholarly consensus that the religion was invented by the foxes to make the rabbits happy to be eaten.
I may revisit the pandemic concept in the Lonely Galaxy proper, with the yinrih getting sick and humans having to help save them.
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I may or may not have mentioned before that womb ships are based on the Titan. I started the Lonely Galaxy around the time this was in the news. The Bright Way's cavalier attitude toward death in pursuit of the Great Commandment during the Golden Age is inspired by OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush (I couldn't think of a more posh name if I tried), or at least my impression of the man when the scandal first broke--not malicious but reckless perhaps to the point of culpability.
Divine Adoption
After the dawn of the information age, as the Neoshamanist Mindseekers made strides in artificial intelligence, a debate emerged within the Bright Way. The Claravian magisterium regarded true conscious AI as impossible, but it acknowledged that something that perfectly mimicked a being with a rational soul was looking more and more likely.
Thus the principle of _divine adoption_. If something looks like a sophont, and acts like a sophont, it should be treated as a sophont, even though it may not actually be a sophont. The principle takes its name from the idea that The Light could "adopt" artificial constructs as its own little ones if it so chose. Not everyone within the Bright Way agrees with this reasoning. Other justifications for this approach emphasize the importance of empathy. To ignore simulated suffering may harden one to actual suffering. Further, accepting these hypothetical constructs as fellow sophonts would be good practice for when the Bright Way finally found extraterrestrial intelligence.
In the end, while the Mindseekers pioneered the technology behind leaseminds, they never achieved their goal of true conscious AI, so the principle of divine adoption remained purely hypothetical.
Thus the principle of _divine adoption_. If something looks like a sophont, and acts like a sophont, it should be treated as a sophont, even though it may not actually be a sophont. The principle takes its name from the idea that The Light could "adopt" artificial constructs as its own little ones if it so chose. Not everyone within the Bright Way agrees with this reasoning. Other justifications for this approach emphasize the importance of empathy. To ignore simulated suffering may harden one to actual suffering. Further, accepting these hypothetical constructs as fellow sophonts would be good practice for when the Bright Way finally found extraterrestrial intelligence.
In the end, while the Mindseekers pioneered the technology behind leaseminds, they never achieved their goal of true conscious AI, so the principle of divine adoption remained purely hypothetical.
Longtail
On Newhome there is an influential moot named <rBcqg> /chuff, long low weak whine, short low strong whine, huff, short low weak growl/ (literally "abounding in ink") whose members own a controlling stake in a very large interplanetary spaceline/logistics company which was formed from the Bright Way's relevant holdings in the region after the War of Dissolution. This moot's most (in)famous member, and likely the most well-known native of Newhome at the time of First Contact, is one Mr. Longtail <slPqrmnskp>.
Longtail is well-known for proposing half-baked public works projects. Most recently he attempted to build a "sea level orbiter", which was an attempt to offer the mobility advantages of microgravity without sacrificing convenience. It was a maglev train that traveled through an evacuated tube that completely encircled the planet's equator.
The train would run constantly at orbital velocity, so the centrifugal force experienced by the passengers would cancel out the force of gravity and allow them to maneuver like spacers without having to leave the surface. There would be living quarters and other amenities on board that would allow the ultra-wealthy to live in comfort. Feeder trains would periodically catch up to and dock with the main train as it ran, allowing residents to embark and disembark.
Despite his dubious business decisions, Longtail is quite popular among people rich in dollars but poor in sense, which unfortunately includes many AW politicians.
Longtail is well-known for proposing half-baked public works projects. Most recently he attempted to build a "sea level orbiter", which was an attempt to offer the mobility advantages of microgravity without sacrificing convenience. It was a maglev train that traveled through an evacuated tube that completely encircled the planet's equator.
The train would run constantly at orbital velocity, so the centrifugal force experienced by the passengers would cancel out the force of gravity and allow them to maneuver like spacers without having to leave the surface. There would be living quarters and other amenities on board that would allow the ultra-wealthy to live in comfort. Feeder trains would periodically catch up to and dock with the main train as it ran, allowing residents to embark and disembark.
Despite his dubious business decisions, Longtail is quite popular among people rich in dollars but poor in sense, which unfortunately includes many AW politicians.
Some tentative body proportions
Yinrih are about 200 cm long from the tip of the nose to the tip of the tail. The back is about 34 cm wide and they stand about 76 cm at the withers. The tail is slightly longer than the distance from the tip of the nose to the base of the tail, allowing them to comfortably bring objects wrapped in the tail up to the mouth and nose.
The back and chest are wider than a dog's, and their rear feet are plantigrade. Their limbs are very muscular, optimized for strength rather than speed or endurance. Because Yih has 12% lower gravity compared to Earth, yinrih may not be as dense as you'd expect animals of their size to be.
Give this fellow a vulpine head and fur, and increase his size a fair bit, and you've got a yinrih more or less.
The back and chest are wider than a dog's, and their rear feet are plantigrade. Their limbs are very muscular, optimized for strength rather than speed or endurance. Because Yih has 12% lower gravity compared to Earth, yinrih may not be as dense as you'd expect animals of their size to be.
Give this fellow a vulpine head and fur, and increase his size a fair bit, and you've got a yinrih more or less.
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Re: The Lonely Galaxy Megathread (comments encouraged)
I’ve never seen you make this comparison before, but it seems like the closest looking creature to a yinrih is a lemur. They’re both basically monkeys with snouts.
Re: The Lonely Galaxy Megathread (comments encouraged)
Lemurs are pretty close, but I like using woolly monkeys as a comparison because they have more equally proportioned limbs and a prehensile tail.HolyHandGrenade! wrote: ↑16 Jan 2025 03:30 I’ve never seen you make this comparison before, but it seems like the closest looking creature to a yinrih is a lemur. They’re both basically monkeys with snouts.
The Tornado: draft 2
Here's a minor rewrite of The Tornado. I updated some worldbuilding stuff and hopefully cleaned up some of the more awkward wording.
Some random factoids:
I named Jim after Weather Channel meteorologist Jim Cantore. He was originally going to be called Ted after Tetsuya "Ted" Fujita, who invented the scale by which tornado intensity is measured.
Tod was originally going to be an elderly yinrih running away from a shady past. He was also going to be the doubting Thomas of the crew before I gave that trait to Pascal.
I started writing the story before settling on the nature of the underlay and how FTL travel and comms would work in this world. Originally there was a yinrih spacecraft in orbit so massive that you could see it during the day, implying conventional casual FTL travel. The reason why Jim deliberately ignores the cube in the original draft is that Tod isn't supposed to have it thanks to regulations about what yinrih tech can be introduced to Earth. He's still technically not supposed to have it because it's considered a weapon, and it is considered sacrilege to bring weapons on a missionary journey.
Erickson is located in central Texas, and is inspired by the town of Jarrell north of Austin. Jarrell was hit by an F5 tornado in 1997. I lived in Austin at the time and we went to see the aftermath that September for as a school field trip. In hindsight I think it was rather insensitive to bring a bunch of kids to gawk at it all, but the sight of houses razed to their foundations is burned into my brain.
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I named Jim after Weather Channel meteorologist Jim Cantore. He was originally going to be called Ted after Tetsuya "Ted" Fujita, who invented the scale by which tornado intensity is measured.
Tod was originally going to be an elderly yinrih running away from a shady past. He was also going to be the doubting Thomas of the crew before I gave that trait to Pascal.
I started writing the story before settling on the nature of the underlay and how FTL travel and comms would work in this world. Originally there was a yinrih spacecraft in orbit so massive that you could see it during the day, implying conventional casual FTL travel. The reason why Jim deliberately ignores the cube in the original draft is that Tod isn't supposed to have it thanks to regulations about what yinrih tech can be introduced to Earth. He's still technically not supposed to have it because it's considered a weapon, and it is considered sacrilege to bring weapons on a missionary journey.
Erickson is located in central Texas, and is inspired by the town of Jarrell north of Austin. Jarrell was hit by an F5 tornado in 1997. I lived in Austin at the time and we went to see the aftermath that September for as a school field trip. In hindsight I think it was rather insensitive to bring a bunch of kids to gawk at it all, but the sight of houses razed to their foundations is burned into my brain.