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Knox Adjacent wrote: 07 May 2023 19:42 What a lemma normally is.
It’s normally a lesser proposition that one proves as a tool to prove more than one theorem.
I do not know a linguistic term “lemma”.
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eldin raigmore wrote: 07 May 2023 23:14 It’s normally a lesser proposition that one proves as a tool to prove more than one theorem.
I do not know a linguistic term “lemma”.
Basically an entry/gloss.
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eldin raigmore wrote: 07 May 2023 18:21 What’s a lemma in this context?
(BTW, congratulations on achieving your milestones!)
ute earo: Thank you!

Oh yes, in this context, lemma is the dictionary or citation form of a lexeme. So when I'm counting lemmas in Rireinutire, I'm counting how many *different* words there are in my dictionary. To illustrate:

ñetuta vt.
1. to dismantle, take apart, disassemble, deconstruct;
2. to disentangle, undo, clear (up);
3. to untie, unwind, untwist, unwrap;
4. to unload (cargo), unpack (package);
5. to demolish, wreck, tear down, strike;
6. to dissolve, liquidate (company, corporation);
7. to cancel, annul, revoke (contract, deal)

Counting lemmas, that's one word. Counting glosses over at CWS, that's 14 words. Counting glosses in my Excel file, that's 22 words. (This happens to be one of, if not the, most extreme examples of polysemy; most Rireinutire lexemes have <3 glosses in Human English.)
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prettydragoon wrote: 08 May 2023 22:20most Rireinutire lexemes have <3 glosses in Human English
So it’s a language of love? Like French?
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I have - at last - updated Dlor dictionary.
It has 106 entries ATM, though a few are just meanings of polysemous words.
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Man in Space wrote: 09 May 2023 12:07
prettydragoon wrote: 08 May 2023 22:20most Rireinutire lexemes have <3 glosses in Human English
So it’s a language of love? Like French?
But of course! Why, to begin with, Rireinutire has four distinct words to describe the various concepts English lumps together into the single word 'love'. Also, writing 'up to three glosses' is much more, how you say, boring.
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eldin raigmore wrote: 07 May 2023 23:14
Knox Adjacent wrote: 07 May 2023 19:42 What a lemma normally is.
It’s normally a lesser proposition that one proves as a tool to prove more than one theorem.
I do not know a linguistic term “lemma”.
In corpus linguistics, a lemma is the base-form of a word, as opposed to an inflected word. So "steal", "steals", "stole", "stolen", and "stealing" are all forms of the lemma "steal", and "accomplishment" and "accomplishments" are both forms of the lemma "accomplishment". Corpora often use tools called lemmatizers to join all the forms of a word into a single lemma head-entry.



And Man in Space, that was what I thought too when I saw <3!
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Most of my languages have eeny-weeny lexicons, since my true love is diachronics, and the vast majority are usually things I used as lexical sources. But thanks in part to the relay, Yoshó now has what my second-largest lexicon ever ─ not including pronouns (except demonstratives) or the name of the language, it has 69 words. (Näzyuva passes this, at 121, but let's be honest ─ Näzyuva sucks.)
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Taking the opportunity to use my 200th CBB post to celebrate my 100th Yoshó word (not including pronouns & grammar): mosh "rock, stone; gray."
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Üdj wrote: 22 May 2023 16:04 Taking the opportunity to use my 200th CBB post to celebrate my 100th Yoshó word (not including pronouns & grammar): mosh "rock, stone; gray."
Woo-hoo! ONE HUNDRED!

Don't quit Yoshó now. Get up to 200. And then 500. And then 1,000!
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Khemehekis wrote: 22 May 2023 20:13
Üdj wrote: 22 May 2023 16:04 Taking the opportunity to use my 200th CBB post to celebrate my 100th Yoshó word (not including pronouns & grammar): mosh "rock, stone; gray."
Woo-hoo! ONE HUNDRED!

Don't quit Yoshó now. Get up to 200. And then 500. And then 1,000!
:)
I don't think I will! It joins the ranks of my very best langs.
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Not to be a stick in the mud, but I do think I can stand up straight today, as :con: Rireinutire has reached the perfectly perpendicular milestone of 11,111 distinct lemma forms with the coining of this word:

yenatata vt. to avail, be of service, of use (to PTV), to benefit, profit (sb-PTV)

kavena yokiña yenatakayo hii hutiha ratoirumu itokahuvo soo sikiña huno vivumu hevakahuvo:
woman-PTV what.Q-COM avail-PRS-Q that.CONJ self-ADE world-ACC gain-PRS-SBJV-INFR if this-COM ones.own soul-ACC lose-PRS-SBJV-INFR
What does it avail a woman to gain herself the world if she thereby loses her soul?
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prettydragoon wrote: 28 May 2023 16:15 Not to be a stick in the mud, but I do think I can stand up straight today, as :con: Rireinutire has reached the perfectly perpendicular milestone of 11,111 distinct lemma forms with the coining of this word:

yenatata vt. to avail, be of service, of use (to PTV), to benefit, profit (sb-PTV)

kavena yokiña yenatakayo hii hutiha ratoirumu itokahuvo soo sikiña huno vivumu hevakahuvo:
woman-PTV what.Q-COM avail-PRS-Q that.CONJ self-ADE world-ACC gain-PRS-SBJV-INFR if this-COM ones.own soul-ACC lose-PRS-SBJV-INFR
What does it avail a woman to gain herself the world if she thereby loses her soul?
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Over the past few days, I've been doing R-words, and Kankonian has just reached 83,000 words!

Word #83,000 was spepiyeti, the word for Rosenbergia rufolineata, a species of longhorned beetle.

xuxuxi, a WordNet-based language by John Cowan, is said to have "over 83,000" words. This means that Kankonian is just a little behind xuxuxi now -- in a dead heat, one could say.

https://www.frathwiki.com/Conlangs_with ... ,000_words

Kankonian is poised to overtake xuxuxi soon as the conlang with the second-largest lexicon in the world.
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Khemehekis wrote: 27 Aug 2023 02:27 Kankonian is poised to overtake xuxuxi soon as the conlang with the second-largest lexicon in the world.
WOW!

Good luck in the greatest, most intense duel humankind has seen yet!

I have 120 Laakitlantu words, and 50 in Iyamri. So I'll soon set a record myself, I'm sure. [:)]
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Üdj wrote: 27 Aug 2023 02:48
Khemehekis wrote: 27 Aug 2023 02:27 Kankonian is poised to overtake xuxuxi soon as the conlang with the second-largest lexicon in the world.
WOW!

Good luck in the greatest, most intense duel humankind has seen yet!
Thanks!
I have 120 Laakitlantu words, and 50 in Iyamri. So I'll soon set a record myself, I'm sure. [:)]
So this means Laakitlantu is about to surpass Näzyuva!
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Khemehekis wrote: 27 Aug 2023 03:29
I have 120 Laakitlantu words, and 50 in Iyamri. So I'll soon set a record myself, I'm sure. [:)]
So this means Laakitlantu is about to surpass Näzyuva!
Ah yes! You're right!

I had forgotten completely!

Well, that'll be a plus: my largest lexicon will be a language I like.
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Khemehekis wrote: 27 Aug 2023 02:27 Kankonian is poised to overtake xuxuxi soon as the conlang with the second-largest lexicon in the world.
A really remarkable record, a reason to rejoice! Please receive my respectful regards.
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Khemehekis wrote: 27 Aug 2023 02:27 Kankonian is poised to overtake xuxuxi soon as the conlang with the second-largest lexicon in the world.
Kankonian is a conlang with a quickly-climbing quantity of quotable, quality quothees.
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prettydragoon wrote: 27 Aug 2023 16:33 A really remarkable record, a reason to rejoice! Please receive my respectful regards.
Üdj wrote: 27 Aug 2023 16:53 Kankonian is a conlang with a quickly-climbing quantity of quotable, quality quothees.

Are Udj and prettydragoon trying to start an alliteration contest ?
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