The horse does not eat cucumber salad
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The horse does not eat cucumber salad
The first first words transmitted by telephone. Another one for the phrasebooks.
German
Das Pferd frisst keinen Gurkensalat.
English
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
French
Le cheval ne mange pas de salade de concombres.
/lə ʃval nə mɑ̃ʒ pa d salad də kɔ̃kɔ̃bʁ/
DEF horse NEG eat NEG of salad of cucumber{PL}
Silvish
U chavau nê mangza pas grê de salád de quombres.
[ʊ tɕaˈvaːo̯ nə ˈmõː.ʑa pa ˈgɾeː də saˈlɛː də ˈkʊ̯õː.bɾə]
DEF horse NEG eat NEG none of salad of cucumber{PL}
German
Das Pferd frisst keinen Gurkensalat.
English
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
French
Le cheval ne mange pas de salade de concombres.
/lə ʃval nə mɑ̃ʒ pa d salad də kɔ̃kɔ̃bʁ/
DEF horse NEG eat NEG of salad of cucumber{PL}
Silvish
U chavau nê mangza pas grê de salád de quombres.
[ʊ tɕaˈvaːo̯ nə ˈmõː.ʑa pa ˈgɾeː də saˈlɛː də ˈkʊ̯õː.bɾə]
DEF horse NEG eat NEG none of salad of cucumber{PL}
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Triple negation? Wow!Dormouse559 wrote: Silvish
U chavau nê mangza pas grê de salád de quombres.
[ʊ tɕaˈvaːo̯ nə ˈmõː.ʑa pa ˈgɾeː də saˈlɛː də ˈkʊ̯õː.bɾə]
DEF horse NEG eat NEG none of salad of cucumber{PL}
Spanish
El caballo no come ensalada de pepino.
DEF horse not eat-3SG salad of cucumber
Atlántika
Çecos pipinèhon saladan ma paghe.
['çekos pipi'nɛɦon sə'ladɐɾ mə 'paɣe]
horse cucumber-GEN.PL salad-ACC not eat-3SG
Notes:
Yeah, Atlántika is full of loans from Ibero-Romance, and I finally get the chance to show it (pipinos, salada).
çecos is an etymological puzzle: the initial ç shouldn't be there at all, but it's there all the same (dialectal influence?).
ma continues the PIE prohibitive particle meh1 (reflected in Greek mē, Classical Armenian mi and so on), but became a simple negation adverb in Atl. (Tocharian had the same semantic development in real life)
paghe 'eats' is a cousin of the English scientific terms related to eating that end in -phagy
Երկնէր երկին, երկնէր երկիր, երկնէր և ծովն ծիրանի.
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Classical Buonavallese
Lu caballu non magnjat salata delis cetrulos.
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
Lu caballu non magnjat salata delis cetrulos.
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
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Géarthnuns
Vöi skadhs la fau kembetöiglínghömsaut glozh.
DEF.NEG horse-NOM.NEG AUX.PRES INDEF.NEG cucumber.salad-ACC.NEG eat
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
Vöi skadhs la fau kembetöiglínghömsaut glozh.
DEF.NEG horse-NOM.NEG AUX.PRES INDEF.NEG cucumber.salad-ACC.NEG eat
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
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Nizhmel
Molë öshanzelka k’epeul.
mol=ë öshan-zelka k’e=pe=ul
horse=ERG cucumber-salad eat=NEG=NONFIRSTH
[ˈmolʲe ˈøʂanzɛlka ˈkʰɛpɛul]
Waku
Kuo me matte a oku winnge dirai.
NEG IPFV eat ERG horse salad cucumber
[ˈkuːo mʲe ˈmʲatʲːe aː oːk ˈɨŋːə diˈrai̯]
Molë öshanzelka k’epeul.
mol=ë öshan-zelka k’e=pe=ul
horse=ERG cucumber-salad eat=NEG=NONFIRSTH
[ˈmolʲe ˈøʂanzɛlka ˈkʰɛpɛul]
Waku
Kuo me matte a oku winnge dirai.
NEG IPFV eat ERG horse salad cucumber
[ˈkuːo mʲe ˈmʲatʲːe aː oːk ˈɨŋːə diˈrai̯]
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Re: The horse does not eat cucumber salad
Yeah, for the moment, anyway. It's either that or some kind of split in basic negation marking.atman wrote:Triple negation? Wow!Dormouse559 wrote: Silvish
U chavau nê mangza pas grê de salád de quombres.
[ʊ tɕaˈvaːo̯ nə ˈmõː.ʑa pa ˈgɾeː də saˈlɛː də ˈkʊ̯õː.bɾə]
DEF horse NEG eat NEG none of salad of cucumber{PL}
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What would be the expected form?atman wrote:çecos is an etymological puzzle: the initial ç shouldn't be there at all, but it's there all the same (dialectal influence?).
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:zho: Mandarin
马不吃拌黄瓜。
Mǎ bù chī bàn huángguā.
[mä˨˩ pu˥˩ ʈ͡ʂʰʐ̩˥ pan˥˩ xwɑŋ˧˥kwä˥]
horse NEG eat mix cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
马不吃拌黄瓜。
Mǎ bù chī bàn huángguā.
[mä˨˩ pu˥˩ ʈ͡ʂʰʐ̩˥ pan˥˩ xwɑŋ˧˥kwä˥]
horse NEG eat mix cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
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:cym: Dydy'r ceffyl ddim yn bwyta salad ciwcymer.
be-3s-PRS-NEG DEF horse NEG PTCL eat salad cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
be-3s-PRS-NEG DEF horse NEG PTCL eat salad cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
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Kankonian:
Laishi os abamas wekor na hongkas.
horse NEG eat-PRES salad of cucumber-PL
Laishi os abamas wekor na hongkas.
horse NEG eat-PRES salad of cucumber-PL
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Kala:
uma ke sentohyala inak
horse O salad-cucumber eat-NEG
uma ke sentohyala inak
horse O salad-cucumber eat-NEG
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Yélian
A'macmi cimuyet dîyaulit.
[ɐˈmakmi kɨˈmuːʃə‿dɨˈʃaʊ̯lɨt]
DEF.ANIM=horse NEG-eat-3SG cucumber_salad
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
New word for this challenge:
dîyaulit - cucumber salad
Etymology: from dîyo "cucumber" + gralit "salad"; the <au> dipthong emerged from a fusion of o + a.
A'macmi cimuyet dîyaulit.
[ɐˈmakmi kɨˈmuːʃə‿dɨˈʃaʊ̯lɨt]
DEF.ANIM=horse NEG-eat-3SG cucumber_salad
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
New word for this challenge:
dîyaulit - cucumber salad
Etymology: from dîyo "cucumber" + gralit "salad"; the <au> dipthong emerged from a fusion of o + a.
Please call me Iyion [ˈiːɕɪ̯ɔ̈n]
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3S Deductive Language (1Sense=1Sign=1Sound):
çZM․TIoXJáõëTJ0ìðÿJJBìëJ/ìëUeìāeRJ=êôge
fruits elongated and fresh and salted and cut and not eaten by this mount
surprisingly, defining the living is the most difficult in philosophical languages...
hence the excessive importance of nomenclatures they could have there...
çZM․TIoXJáõëTJ0ìðÿJJBìëJ/ìëUeìāeRJ=êôge
fruits elongated and fresh and salted and cut and not eaten by this mount
surprisingly, defining the living is the most difficult in philosophical languages...
hence the excessive importance of nomenclatures they could have there...
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Hebrew
לאֹ אָכַל הַסוּס אֵת סָלָט מְלָפְפוֹן.
Lōʾ ʾāḵal hasûs ʾeṯ sālāṭ mǝlāp̄ǝp̄ôn.
[loː ʔɔˈχɑːɑl haˈsuːus ʔeːeθ sɔˈlɔːɔtˤ malɔfaˈfoːon]
NEG eat.PERF DEF=horse DEF.ACC salad(.CSCT) cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
This Hebrew—like all Hebrew, really—is somewhat of a temporal mishmash. The grammar is Biblical as far as I can tell, but məlāp̄əp̄ôn is a Mishnaic word and sālāṭ is a German loan, likely 19th century. Whether this is a valid Modern Hebrew sentence, I'm not sure; the VSO word order and perhaps the gnomic perfect make it seem unlikely to me. The phonemic transcription is of early medieval Tiberian Hebrew according to Khan's reconstructions.
לאֹ אָכַל הַסוּס אֵת סָלָט מְלָפְפוֹן.
Lōʾ ʾāḵal hasûs ʾeṯ sālāṭ mǝlāp̄ǝp̄ôn.
[loː ʔɔˈχɑːɑl haˈsuːus ʔeːeθ sɔˈlɔːɔtˤ malɔfaˈfoːon]
NEG eat.PERF DEF=horse DEF.ACC salad(.CSCT) cucumber
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
This Hebrew—like all Hebrew, really—is somewhat of a temporal mishmash. The grammar is Biblical as far as I can tell, but məlāp̄əp̄ôn is a Mishnaic word and sālāṭ is a German loan, likely 19th century. Whether this is a valid Modern Hebrew sentence, I'm not sure; the VSO word order and perhaps the gnomic perfect make it seem unlikely to me. The phonemic transcription is of early medieval Tiberian Hebrew according to Khan's reconstructions.
天含青海道。城頭月千里。
/tʰiæn ɣɑm tsʰieŋ.hɑ́i dʱɑ́u ‖ ʑʱeŋ dʱəu ᵑgyæɾ tsʰiæn lí/
The sky swallows the road to Kokonor. On the Great Wall, a thousand miles of moonlight.
—/lí ɣɑ̀/ (李賀), tr. A. C. Graham
/tʰiæn ɣɑm tsʰieŋ.hɑ́i dʱɑ́u ‖ ʑʱeŋ dʱəu ᵑgyæɾ tsʰiæn lí/
The sky swallows the road to Kokonor. On the Great Wall, a thousand miles of moonlight.
—/lí ɣɑ̀/ (李賀), tr. A. C. Graham
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Rireinutire
eti ñarerotena nohikaseve:
/ˈeti ˈŋɑɹeˌɹotenɑ ˈnohikɑseve/
eti ñare-rote-na nohi-ka-se-ve ||
horse.NOM cucumber-salad-PTV eat-PRS-NEG-HSY ||
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
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eti ñarerotena nohikaseve:
/ˈeti ˈŋɑɹeˌɹotenɑ ˈnohikɑseve/
eti ñare-rote-na nohi-ka-se-ve ||
horse.NOM cucumber-salad-PTV eat-PRS-NEG-HSY ||
The horse does not eat cucumber salad.
Translation challenge 21/100
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Proto-Jwákón
Yébyòbyé nwakáim bwínsèm fo jojwè fo kwikénswíso.
jé-b-<j>ó-bjé nwakái̯m bwínsém ɸo dʒodʒwe ɸo kwikénswiso
NEG.REAL-3F.PL-<3F.OBJ>eat-HABIT horse collection GEN slice GEN cucumber
'Horses do not eat cucumber salad.'
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Yébyòbyé nwakáim bwínsèm fo jojwè fo kwikénswíso.
jé-b-<j>ó-bjé nwakái̯m bwínsém ɸo dʒodʒwe ɸo kwikénswiso
NEG.REAL-3F.PL-<3F.OBJ>eat-HABIT horse collection GEN slice GEN cucumber
'Horses do not eat cucumber salad.'
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Euta
One can say (1), which rather means 'Horse does not like to eat ...' or (2), which means that 'Horse cannot ...'.
(1)
<Pudo-maho đu salara-púhu-jųngu.>
Pudo-ma-ho đu salara-púhu-kųngu
animal-NMLZ_TR-move dislike.DIRECT pipe-greenness
'The horse does not eat cucumber salad'
(2)
<Pudo-maho lo pi heesa wįį salara-púhu-jųngu.>
Pudo-ma-ho lo pi heesa wįį salara-púhu-kųngu
animal-NMLZ_TR-move have.DIRECT no capability enjoy.EGO pipe-greenness
'Horse cannot eat cucumber salad.'
One can say (1), which rather means 'Horse does not like to eat ...' or (2), which means that 'Horse cannot ...'.
(1)
<Pudo-maho đu salara-púhu-jųngu.>
Pudo-ma-ho đu salara-púhu-kųngu
animal-NMLZ_TR-move dislike.DIRECT pipe-greenness
'The horse does not eat cucumber salad'
(2)
<Pudo-maho lo pi heesa wįį salara-púhu-jųngu.>
Pudo-ma-ho lo pi heesa wįį salara-púhu-kųngu
animal-NMLZ_TR-move have.DIRECT no capability enjoy.EGO pipe-greenness
'Horse cannot eat cucumber salad.'
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Naguil
Olumo ugana y pennein fyrunes felbi kyrneles.
/ɔ'luːmo u'gaːna 'yː 'pʰɛnːɛin 'fyːrunɛs 'fɛlbi 'kʰyːrnɛlɛs/
o-lum-o u-gan-a y penn-ein fyr-un-es felb-i kyrn-el-es
DEF.ART-horse-NOM 3SG.M/F-eat-PRS NEG plate-ACC waterfruit-TMP-PL longish-ATTR salty-ADJ.TMP-PL
The horse eats no plate of salty long-fruits.
Olumo ugana y pennein fyrunes felbi kyrneles.
/ɔ'luːmo u'gaːna 'yː 'pʰɛnːɛin 'fyːrunɛs 'fɛlbi 'kʰyːrnɛlɛs/
o-lum-o u-gan-a y penn-ein fyr-un-es felb-i kyrn-el-es
DEF.ART-horse-NOM 3SG.M/F-eat-PRS NEG plate-ACC waterfruit-TMP-PL longish-ATTR salty-ADJ.TMP-PL
The horse eats no plate of salty long-fruits.
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Ñoti:
Shränora pömetha pënraktovhrëjare
Horse.NOM eat.NEG cucumber.GEN-salad.ACC
Shränora pömetha pënraktovhrëjare
Horse.NOM eat.NEG cucumber.GEN-salad.ACC
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Mémoblien
Rhé chëvharh nou månçzei rhå salaçzo dé rhoû coughounbrê.
/ɹe tʃəˈβaɹ nu mɑ̃ˈðɪ ɹɑ salaˈðɔ de ɹuː kuɣũˈbʁeː/
the.NOM horse.NOM NEG eat-3S the salad of the cucumber
"The horse does not eat cucumber salad."
Viceardo
Le kevalo feche poin mengear le seata de le kekome.
[l əɡˈvaˑɫɜ ˌfɛtʃɜ ˈpɒi̯n əmb̚ˈdʒɛˑ ˈl ɛˑta d ɫ əkˈkʰɔˑmə]
the horse do.3SG NEG eat-INFIN the salad of the cucumber
"The horse does not eat cucumber salad."
Rhé chëvharh nou månçzei rhå salaçzo dé rhoû coughounbrê.
/ɹe tʃəˈβaɹ nu mɑ̃ˈðɪ ɹɑ salaˈðɔ de ɹuː kuɣũˈbʁeː/
the.NOM horse.NOM NEG eat-3S the salad of the cucumber
"The horse does not eat cucumber salad."
Viceardo
Le kevalo feche poin mengear le seata de le kekome.
[l əɡˈvaˑɫɜ ˌfɛtʃɜ ˈpɒi̯n əmb̚ˈdʒɛˑ ˈl ɛˑta d ɫ əkˈkʰɔˑmə]
the horse do.3SG NEG eat-INFIN the salad of the cucumber
"The horse does not eat cucumber salad."