Reverse romanization challenge game #2

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a á b d ḏ e é f g i í k l ḻ m n ṉ ŋ o ó p r ṙ s s̱ t ṯ u ú v w z ẕ

/p b t̪ d̪ t d k g/ <p b ṯ ḏ t d k g>
/f v θ ð s z/ <f v s̱ ẕ s z>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m ṉ n ŋ>
/l̪ l ɻ w/ <ḻ l r w>
/ɾ/ <ṙ>

/i iː u uː/ <i í u ú>
/e eː o oː/ <e é o ó>
/a aː/ <a á>

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a b c ć č d đ ď e f g h i j k l ł m n ň o õ p r s ś š t ť u v y z ź ž

/m n ɳ/ ⟨m n ň⟩
/p b t d k ɡ/ ⟨p b t d k g⟩
/tʼ ɗ/ ⟨ť ď⟩
/t͡s t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ ʈ͡ʂ/ ⟨c ć đ č⟩
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʂ ʐ ɦ~ʔ/ ⟨f v s z ś ź š ž h⟩
/l ɻ~ɽ j w/ ⟨l r j ł⟩

/i ɯ u/ ⟨i y u⟩
/e ɤ o/ ⟨e õ o⟩
/ä/ ⟨a⟩

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(monographs ⟨d g h p u z⟩ only used in loanwords.)
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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a b ɓ ch (d) ɖ e ɛ f (g) gb (h) i k kp ƙ qu l~r m n ng o ɔ (p) s sh t tz ƭ (u) ou v y (z) ꞌ

/(p) b ɓ t tʼ (d) ɗ k kʼ (g) k͡p k͡pʼ g͡b ʔ/ <(p) b ɓ t ƭ (d) ɖ k ƙ (g) kp qu gb ꞌ>
/f s (z) ʃ (h)/ <f s (z) sh (h)>
/t͡s t͡ʃ/ <tz ch>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/ʋ j/ <v y>
/ɺ/ <l~r>

/i (y) u/ <i (u) ou>
/e o/ <e o>
/ɛ ɔ/ <ɛ ɔ>
/a/ <a>

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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2

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a b c d e ê f g h i k l m n o ô p q r s t u v y z

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b t d t͡s~t̠͡ʃ k ɡ q/ ⟨p b t d c k g q⟩
/f s~ʃ z~ʒ χ ʁ/ ⟨f s z h r⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y v⟩

/i ɪ ʊ u/ ⟨i e o u⟩
/ɛ ä ɔ/ ⟨ê a ô⟩

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a ǎ b c č ć d e ě f g ǵ ḡ h i ǐ j k ḱ l ĺ m n ń o p r s š ś t u ŭ v y z ž ź ' dz dž dź
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2

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a ǎ b c č ć d e ě f g ǵ ḡ h i ǐ j k ḱ l ĺ m n ń o p r s š ś t u ŭ v y z ž ź ' dz dž dź
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k kʲ ʔ/ <p t c č ć k ḱ '> /b d dz dʐ dʑ g gʲ/ <b d dz dž dź g ǵ> /m n ɲ/ <m n ń> /r/ <r> /f s ʂ ɕ h/ <f s š ś h> /v z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ <v z ž ź ḡ> /l ʎ j/ <l ĺ j>

/i e a u/ <i e a u>
/i̤ e̤ a̤ o̤/ <ǐ ě ǎ o>
/ɨ/ <y>

+ word-final labialization /ʷ/ <ŭ> (which applies to consonants)

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a ă b e g i ĭ l m n o p r t u ŭ w y z

/p ɓ t k/ <p b t g>
/s/ <z>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/r/ <r>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɪ ʊ/ <ĭ ŭ>
/e o/ <e o>
/ʌ/ <ă>
/a/ <a>

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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2

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a ă b c ç d e ĕ f g h ı i j k l m n o p r s ş ś t u ü w y z

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b t d c ɟ k ɡ/ ⟨p b t d ç c k g⟩
/f s z ʃ ʒ h/ ⟨f s z ş ś h⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i ɨ ʉ u/ ⟨i ı ü u⟩
/e ɘ o/ ⟨e ĕ o⟩
/a ä/ ⟨a ă⟩

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Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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a ạ b ɓ c d ɗ e ẹ g h i j k l m n ñ ŋ o ọ ơ p q r s t u ư w y

/p b ɓ t d ɗ k g q/ <p b ɓ t d ɗ k g q>
/s h/ <s h>
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c j>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/r/ <r>

/i ɯ u/ <i ư u>
/e ɤ o/ <e ơ o>
/ɛ ʌ ɔ/ <ẹ ạ ọ>
/a/ <a>

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Re: Reverse romanization challenge game #2

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a (ä) å æ b (c) d e f g h i ï j k l m n o ö (ø) p (q) r s t u v (w) (x) y (z)

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b t d k ɡ/ ⟨p b t d k~c~q g⟩
/f v s z h/ ⟨f v~w s z h~x⟩
/l j/ ⟨l j⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i y ɯ u/ ⟨i y ï u⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛ ɔ/ ⟨ä ø⟩
/a ɒ/ ⟨a å⟩

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Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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a ae ao b bh d dh dy dz e ea eo g gh gw h i ie iu k kh kw l ly m mb n nd ng ny o oa oe p ph r s sy t th ts ty u ui uo w y z zy '

/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ ʔ/ <p b t d k g kw gw '>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <ph bh th dh s z sy zy kh gh h>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ts dz ty dy>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m~mb n~nd ny ng>
/l j ʎ w/ <l y ly w>
/r/ <r>

/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>

/ie̯ iu̯ ui̯ uo̯/ <ie iu ui uo>
/ea̯ eo̯ oe̯ oa̯/ <ea eo oe oa>
/ae̯ ao̯/ <ae ao>

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a ä á å å̄ b d đ e f g h i ï j k l m n ŋ o ö p r s t ŧ u ū ü ǖ v y ˈ

/æ æ: ɒ o o: b d ð e f g h i i: ɟ k l m n ŋ ø ø: p r s t θ u u: y y: v j ʔ/

/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/p b t d ɟ k g/ <p b t d j k g>
/f v θ ð s h/ <f v ŧ đ s h>
/l r j/ <l r y>

/i i: y y: u u:/ <i ï ü ǖ u ū>
/e ø ø: o o:/ <e o ö å å̄>
/æ æ: ɒ/ <a ä á>

a á ea eá ae áe oa oá ao áo eae eáe eao eáo oae oáe oao oáo g h i í oi oí io ío ei eí ie íe oio oío oie oíe eio eío eie eíe k ḳ l m n ň ŋ p ṗ s ṣ t ṭ u ú eu eú ue úe ou oú uo úo eue eúe euo eúo oue oúe ouo oúo x

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/m n̪ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ň ŋ⟩
/p t̪ k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/tʼ t̪͡s̪ʼ kʼ ʔ/ ⟨ṭ ṣ ḳ x⟩
/ɸ s̪ x h/ ⟨ṗ s g h⟩
/l̪/ ⟨l⟩

/i ˈi u ˈu/ ⟨i í u ú⟩
/e̞ ˈe̞ o̞ ˈo̞/ ⟨e é o ó⟩
/ä ˈä/ ⟨a á⟩

Poaoṣoaekxaongeu sṗaogňaep souknoaetleal keixeaon keaolsieh poiṣi.
/po̞.ä.o̞t̪͡s̪ʼo̞.ä.e̞kʔä.o̞n̪xe̞.u s̪ɸä.o̞xɲä.e̞p s̪o̞.ukn̪o̞.ä.e̞t̪l̪e̞.äl̪ ke̞.iʔe̞.ä.o̞n̪ ke̞.ä.o̞l̪s̪i.e̞h po̞.it̪͡s̪ʼi ‖/

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Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
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a b b' ch d d' e ë f f' g i ï k kh l l' m m' n n' o p p' r r' s s' sh t t' ts ts' u v v' y ya yo yu z z' zh

/p b t d k g/ <p~p' b~b' t~t' d~d' k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/ <f~f' s~s' z~z' sh zh ch~kh>
/t͡s/ <ts~ts'>
/m n/ <m~m' n~n'>
/ʋ l j/ <v~v' l~l' y>
/r/ <r~r'>

/i ɨ u/ <i ï u>
/e ɘ o/ <e ë o>
/a/ <a>

/iu̯~i̯u io̯~i̯o ia̯~i̯a/ <yu yo ya>

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a b d e f h i k l m n o p r s t u v y z

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/ɓ ɗ/ ⟨b d⟩
/f s z ɦ/ ⟨f s z h⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y v⟩
/ɾ/ ⟨r⟩

/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/ɛ ɔ/ ⟨e o⟩
/ä/ ⟨a⟩

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Spoiler:
For dieresis mark on vowels, you can choose either:
/ˈ◌/, /◌ː/, /ʔ◌/, /◌̃/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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a ä ə ӛ b c č ć d e ë f g h i ï j k l ĺ m n ń o ö ɵ ӫ p r s š ś t u ü v x y ÿ z ž ź

/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x h/ <f s z š ž ś ź x h>
/t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ɕ/ <c č ć>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ń>
/ʋ l j ʎ/ <v l j ĺ>
/r/ <r>

/i y ɯ u/ <i y~ü ï u~ÿ>
/e ø ɤ o/ <e~ӛ ɵ~ö ə~ë o~ӫ>
/æ/ <ä>
/ɑ/ <a>

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a b c ç d e ə h i k l m n o ø p q s ş t u w x y

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b t d t͡s t̠͡ʃ k q/ ⟨p b t d c ç k q⟩
/s ʃ χ ʁ/ ⟨s ş x h⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩

/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e ɵ o/ ⟨e ø o⟩
/æ ä/ ⟨ə a⟩

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Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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a ə b c č d ʒ ǯ e f g ɣ h i j k l m n o p r s š t þ u v x y z ž ð ŋ

/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f v þ ð s z š ž x ɣ h>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c ʒ č ǯ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/l j/ <l j>
/r/ <r>

/i ɨ u/ <i y u>
/e o/ <e o>
/ə/ <ə>
/a/ <a>

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a æ b c d ð e ə g h i k m n ɲ ŋ o p s t u w x y z ʒ þ ɣ

/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ɲ ŋ⟩
/p b t d~ɾ tʰ d̤ k ɡ kʰ ɡ̤/ ⟨p b t d þ ð k g x ɣ⟩
/s z ʃ ʒ h/ ⟨s z c ʒ h⟩
/j w/ ⟨y w⟩

/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛ/ ⟨ə⟩
/a ɑ/ ⟨æ a⟩

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Spoiler:
The correct orders are:
⟨ə⟩ between ⟨a⟩ and ⟨b⟩
⟨ʒ⟩ between ⟨d⟩ and ⟨e⟩
⟨ɣ⟩ between ⟨g⟩ and ⟨h⟩
⟨þ⟩ between ⟨t⟩ and ⟨u⟩

a ə b … d ʒ e … g ɣ h … t þ u …
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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Anonymous999 wrote: 10 Feb 2023 00:15 The correct orders are:
⟨ə⟩ between ⟨a⟩ and ⟨b⟩
⟨ʒ⟩ between ⟨d⟩ and ⟨e⟩
⟨ɣ⟩ between ⟨g⟩ and ⟨h⟩
⟨þ⟩ between ⟨t⟩ and ⟨u⟩

a ə b … d ʒ e … g ɣ h … t þ u …
No. You're free to order them however you'd like, of course, but so am I. As I said the last time you complained about this, it's true that <ɣ> usually seems to follow <g>. However, it wasn't hard to find examples of <ə> following <e> (here and here), <ʒ> following <z> (here), and <þ> likewise coming near the end of the alphabet (here). In fact, I wasn't able to find any examples of <þ> coming between <t> and <u>, or of <ʒ> coming between <d> and <e>. The closest I could find was this, with the order <c č ʒ ǯ d>. As for <ɣ>, I also found this example of the order <j ǰ ɣ k>. In different versions of the Tatar Latin alphabet (here), <ə> has been placed after <e> or <a>. Finally, here's an example of <ə> being listed at the very end of the alphabet. My point is that, as far as I'm concerned, there is no single, universally "correct" way to order these letters.

a b c č d đ e ä f g h i j k l m n o ö p r s š t u ü v x z ž dz dž ŧ ǥ

/p b t d tˤ dˤ k g q~ɢ/ <p b t d ŧ đ k g ǥ>
/f θ ð θʲ ðʲ s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f c dz č dž s z š ž x r h>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l j v>

/i y u/ <i ü u>
/e ø o/ <e ö o>
/ə/ <ä>
/a/ <a>

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a b c ʒ d e f g h i j ɣ k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y þ z ə
/a ɓ ʈ ᶑ d~ð e f ɠ h i j g~ɣ k l m n o p k͡p ɖ~ɻ s t u b~β w ʂ ɨ ɗ z ə/

/m n/ <m n>
/p t ʈ k k͡p/ <p t c k q>
/b~β d~ð ɖ~ɻ g~ɣ/ <v d r ɣ>
/ɓ ɗ ᶑ ɠ/ <b þ ʒ g>
/f s ʂ h/ <f s x h>
/l j w/ <l j w>
/i ɨ u/ <i y u>
/e ə o/ <e ə o>
/a/ <a>

a ā ă ɒ ɒ̄ ɒ̆ b c c̄ ç ç̄ d e ē ə ə̄ p p̄ g h h̄ i ī* ĭ ɪ ɪ̄ ɪ̆ j j́ k k̄ l ł m m̄ n n̄ ń ŋ ŋ̄ o ō ø ø̄ q q̄ r s ś s̄ t t̄ u ū ŭ ʉ ʉ̄ ʉ̆ w y z ź ' '' !

* should have extra dot
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