That's it, Navajo's getting Canadian Syllabics (no, the good ones)

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That's it, Navajo's getting Canadian Syllabics (no, the good ones)

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Or more accurately Southern Athabaskan.

/i e o a/ ᐃ ᐁ ᐅ ᐊ
/ii ee oo aa/ ᐃᣟ ᐁᣟ ᐅᣟ ᐊᣟ can't do top dot so this will have to do
/į ę ǫ ą/ ᐃ ̨ ᐁ ̨ ᐅ ̨ ᐊ ̨ It won't connect just please forgive me
/įį ęę ǫǫ ąą/ ᐃ ̨ᣟ ᐁ ̨ᣟ ᐅ ̨ᣟ ᐊ ̨ᣟ

/p t ts tɬ tʃ k kw/ ᐯ ᑌ ᑌᔅ ᑌᖦ ᑌ𑪺 i can't make it small ᑫ ᑫᕝ
/tʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ kʰ kʰw/ ᑌᒡ ᑌᔅᒡ ᑌᖦᒡ ᑌ𑪺ᒡ ᑫᒡ ᑫᕝᒡ
/tʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ kʼ kʼw ʔ/ ᑌᑊ ᑌᔅᑊ ᑌᖦᑊ ᑌ𑪺ᑊ ᑫᑊ ᑫᕝᑊ ᑊᐃ
/ⁿb ⁿd/ ᓐᐯ ᓐᑌ
/m n/ ᒥ ᓂ
/ˀm ˀn/ ᒥᑊ ᓂᑊ
/syllabic n/ ᓂᓂ make them connect argh
/s ɬ ʃ x xw h/ ᓯᒡ ᖠᒡ 𑪶ᒡ ᕆᒡ ᕆᕝᒡ ᒋ
/z l ʒ ɣ ɣʷ/ ᓯ ᖠ 𑪶 ᕆ ᕆᕝ
/j w/ ᔨ ᕕ

/a á/ ᐊ ᐊᐨ
/aa áá/ ᐊᣟ ᐊᐨᣟ
/aá áa/ ᐊᐟᣟ ᐊᐠᣟ

My gosh this looks terrible. But it could work.
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Visions1 wrote: 01 Jan 2024 10:40 Or more accurately Southern Athabaskan.

My gosh this looks terrible. But it could work.
most impressive.
(and it doesn't look terrible)
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glad something good came out of Oligey's threads!

these are really cool. I recently got a book on Navajo, and I really love Canadian languages. fun combination!
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Arayaz wrote: 03 Jan 2024 03:05glad something good came out of Oligey's threads!
lsd wrote: 30 Dec 2023 12:09 |Á‰¿ÂVÔ[aaˆÔ[ÎÂ
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I just realized this could be used for other stuff like Muskogean. But it breaks as soon as it hits more than 4 vowels.
I tried writing it out for Navajo. It looks nice. Maybe more efficient than Latin, but who knows.

Edit: And of course it'd work for other Athabaskan languages
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Visions1 wrote: 03 Jan 2024 20:47 I just realized this could be used for other stuff like Muskogean. But it breaks as soon as it hits more than 4 vowels.
Maybe have a line running through the triangle? (a strikethrough)...or underscoring it? Or just use a square/diamond instead of a triangle?
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Keenir wrote: 04 Jan 2024 22:41 Maybe have a line running through the triangle? (a strikethrough)...or underscoring it? Or just use a square/diamond instead of a triangle?
There are two things you need to know:
1) Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics aren't an alphabet - they're an abugida. Let's say I were to write something in, say, Inuktitut - e.g. the name of the language, Inuktitut. It would look like this:
ᐃᓄᒃᑎᑐᑦ
I - nu - k - ti - tu - t
Notice that each symbol normally contains both a consonant and a vowel. You would NOT write the word like this:
ᐃᓄᐅᑲᑎᐃᑎᐅᑎ
I - n(u) - u - k(a) - t(i) - i - t(i) - u - t(i)
As well, notice what makes the vowel change in this abugida: the rotation of the symbol. ᑎ is /ti/; ᑐ is /tu/.
Firstly, adding in another shape would not be adding a vowel - it would be adding a new consonant+vowel combo. That's not what we'd need. Secondly, a square shape would be a bad idea, since when you rotate a square 90 degrees, it looks exactly the same - which simply won't help in Canadian Syllabics.

2) So why not add a strikethrough? A fair point. However, the last time this was done, the consequences were pretty cumbersome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_syllabics. It's already been tried, and the results weren't very good.
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