Auxlangs & englangs

[HolyHandGrenade!]

I figured we should have a dedicated thread for auxlangs & englangs. This is not a place to present your conlang in full detail or keep dedicated updates about it, for that you should make your own thread, but just to share the ideas behind it and some interesting features.

[lsd]

3SDeductiveLanguage(1Sense=1Sign=1Sound),
whose name is the definition,
is typically an engelang,
since it is a language with semantic primitives,
and is therefore not based on any language or linguistics...

however, as it is not linked to a fantasy world,
it is adapted to the real world and tends towards an ideal of communication,
in this sense it follows auxlang constraints,
which are not to be comprehensible without being learned,
nor to recall natural languages,
but to be able to express the real world...

if it is not an artlang, since its construction follows principles laid down well upstream,
the constraints that this implies oblige me to produce very exotic constructions,
that seem to come from and define another world,
while rediscovering the linguistic principles of natural languages,
that confirm its fraternity with all human languages...

in fact, the distinction artlang, engelang, auxlang is not a distinction of nature,
each language, as long as it is more or less functional,
could very well fulfil these three purposes if its creator so wishes,
and you can take Esperanto for example, and redefine it in the same way,
as both auxlang, engelang and artlang,
then...

[VaptuantaDoi]

since it is a language with semantic primitives,
and is therefore not based on any language or linguistics...

That's a bold claim! Many people have tried to make a language entirely distinct from human languages, but there's bound to be some unconscious bias in there. Our understanding of semantic primitives is undoubtedly influenced by how our own languages, and minds, work.

[lsd]

you must have misread me,
it is not, in any case, a language distinct from a human language,
but a different way of constructing it...

I see three ways to construct a language:
- starting from first principles (a priori)
- starting from natural languages ​​(a posteriori)
- starting from linguistics (ex linguisticis)

[HolyHandGrenade!]

since it is a language with semantic primitives,
and is therefore not based on any language or linguistics...

That's a bold claim! Many people have tried to make a language entirely distinct from human languages, but there's bound to be some unconscious bias in there. Our understanding of semantic primitives is undoubtedly influenced by how our own languages, and minds, work.

To be fair, englangs and auxlang are known for making big claims.

[Creyeditor]

Okay, so I guess this is the time to mention my reverse engelang V:1g3n1n:1 (aka Pansi) again (https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=322245#p322243). I was also working on an engelang based on a reduced version of Minimalist Program syntax called Er'u, which included feature-driven external merge, binary braching trees, and lots of pronouns.

[lsd]

To be fair, englangs and auxlang are known for making big claims.

is that, despite their results, they have a goal beyond the real...
if you're looking for naturalist features, you'll be disappointed...

[6116G]

I've made the engelang Sov with only 3 root words using a few polysemes and syntaces in English and Classical Chinese based on NSM Theory to see how simple Toki Pona could be.
Document here: https://conlang.fandom.com/wiki/Sov
NSM Theory: https://intranet.secure.griffith.edu.au ... e/in-brief

[HolyHandGrenade!]

I’ve been working on a minimalist whose main goal is to one-up Toki Pona. The phonology & phonotactics are little more complex, but still should be easy to pronounce by most Europeans and others. It has 300 words (not all created), which is a bit more than Toki Pona but still almost as easy to learn. But here’s the real kicker: all words are one syllable. The thing that’s always frustrated me is that with just a little tweaking to its phonology or phonotactics, Toki Pona could make all its words one syllable, yet it frequently uses two and even three syllable words.