Euriziano a new european conlang

[Eurigo]

What do you think of Euriziano , a new conlang derived from Latin very similar to the language of the Roman Empire, but much easier to learn? see www.euriziano.eu

[WeepingElf]

What do you think of Euriziano , a new conlang derived from Latin very similar to the language of the Roman Empire, but much easier to learn? see www.euriziano.eu

Congratulations! You have managed to reinvent the wheel. There are hundreds of such international auxiliary languages on the market already, and adding one more won't change anything about the fact that none of these was ever widely adopted anywhere.

[Omzinesý]

What do you think of Euriziano , a new conlang derived from Latin very similar to the language of the Roman Empire, but much easier to learn? see www.euriziano.eu

Congratulations! You have managed to reinvent the wheel. There are hundreds of such international auxiliary languages on the market already, and adding one more won't change anything about the fact that none of these was ever widely adopted anywhere.

Do conlangers really have some purpose for their hobby? Conlangs are just an art form. If auxlangs please their inventors, they are as useful as any conlangs.

[Knox Adjacent]

The goal of an auxlang is to be spoken and so, no, they are not. And what is so objectionable about tempering expectations???

[Khemehekis]

What do you think of Euriziano , a new conlang derived from Latin very similar to the language of the Roman Empire, but much easier to learn? see www.euriziano.eu

Congratulations! You have managed to reinvent the wheel. There are hundreds of such international auxiliary languages on the market already, and adding one more won't change anything about the fact that none of these was ever widely adopted anywhere.

Eurigo mentions Esperanto as a word source for Euriziano, so apparently he's aware that it's been done before.

As the most successful IAL, I've seen figures that Esperanto has 8 million speakers around the globe, and some people learn it as a mother tongue. I doubt Euriziano will even get 1% of that number. Which will mean it won't be widely adopted.

Plus, as Arika Okrent notes in In the Land of Invented Languages, Esperanto wouldn't catch on today if it were invented in the twenty-first century; Okrent says that the timing of Esperanto was just right. A Euroclone that is invented today will not catch on.

[WeepingElf]

I once put it this way:

The siege tower the international auxiliary language movement built in order to raze the Tower of Babel has become a second Tower of Babel itself.

[Eurigo]

What do you think of Euriziano , a new conlang derived from Latin very similar to the language of the Roman Empire, but much easier to learn? see www.euriziano.eu

Congratulations! You have managed to reinvent the wheel. There are hundreds of such international auxiliary languages on the market already, and adding one more won't change anything about the fact that none of these was ever widely adopted anywhere.

Congratulations to you! I note with pleasure that you have fully understood the spirit of the conlangs! In fact, according to your view, conlangs are useless and would be better not invented. What a genius!

[Khemehekis]

Congratulations to you! I note with pleasure that you have fully understood the spirit of the conlangs! In fact, according to your view, conlangs are useless and would be better not invented. What a genius!

There is a big difference between auxlangs and artlangs. (And then there are engelangs!)

[WeepingElf]

Congratulations to you! I note with pleasure that you have fully understood the spirit of the conlangs! In fact, according to your view, conlangs are useless and would be better not invented. What a genius!

There is a big difference between auxlangs and artlangs. (And then there are engelangs!)

Yes. And I, like most people here, make artlangs, more specifically, models of the languages spoken by fictional people. Famous examples are Quenya and Sindarin (spoken by the Elves in Lord of the Rings), and the Klingon language from Star Trek. We have no pretension to have them used by people in the real world. Some of these languages, such as lurker's Commonthroat, can't even be spoken by humans because they are designed for extraterrestrial beings whose vocal apparatus works differently; though most, like mine, are designed for fictional human ethnic groups and therefore are (or should be) usable by humans.

[Dormouse559]

Take some time to cool off. Your opinion on auxlangs doesn’t justify being rude, especially to a brand-new member. The thread in which they asked for specific feedback on their conlang also is not the place to litigate the merits of auxlangs in general. So, if the language itself is interesting to you, consider what constructive comments and questions you may have on it.

[WeepingElf]

Take some time to cool off. Your opinion on auxlangs doesn’t justify being rude, especially to a brand-new member. The thread in which they asked for specific feedback on their conlang also is not the place to litigate the merits of auxlangs in general. So, if the language itself is interesting to you, consider what constructive comments and questions you may have on it.

OK, I'm sorry about being too harsh on him. What he does is perfectly legitimate, though IMHO rather futile.

[Visions1]

Spoiler:

I do not want to make this thread burn any worse. But I feel morally obligated to say this, since I should have said this earlier:

Shame on me for not defending him.
Shame on you people for how you acted.

I am very disappointed and in fact angry that of all places, this happened here, of all people, by you folks.

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And Eurigo, please, if you're reading this, know that I think your language looks quite nice, and actually could be quite useful if people needed a Latin shorthand.

[Khemehekis]

Personally, I'm curious to know where I can find a copy of the Euriziano dictionary! I saw Eurigo mention "Vocabulary", but I don't see a wordlist anywhere.

[Eurigo]

All the words in the Euriziano language originate from the vocabularies of two languages: Latin and Esperanto. Therefore, if you have the vocabularies of Latin and Esperanto at your disposal, you can derive any word of the Euriziano language simply by keeping in mind the easy rules described in the grammar . The rules of derivation are different for nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, pronouns, prepositions and conjunctions. As far as adverbs, prepositions and conjunctions are concerned, they are exactly those of the Latin language (apart from a few minor variations) while pronouns and all adjectives other than qualifying adjectives are derived from Latin according to the rules described in the grammar (www.euriziano.eu). As far as nouns, qualifying adjectives and verbs are concerned, the general principle applies that one always starts with the search for the corresponding Latin word and, if it does not exist (as is the case, for example, for neologisms formed after the Roman era), or if it does exist, but is expressed by the combination of two or more words, one goes on to consider the corresponding Esperanto word according to the generative algorithm described in the grammar.In practice, everyone can derive the Euriziano vocabulary on their own without having an Euriziano vocabulary !

[TBPO]

All the words in the Euriziano language originate from the vocabularies of two languages: Latin and Esperanto. Therefore, if you have the vocabularies of Latin and Esperanto at your disposal, you can derive any word of the Euriziano language simply by keeping in mind the easy rules described in the grammar . The rules of derivation are different for nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, pronouns, prepositions and conjunctions. As far as adverbs, prepositions and conjunctions are concerned, they are exactly those of the Latin language (apart from a few minor variations) while pronouns and all adjectives other than qualifying adjectives are derived from Latin according to the rules described in the grammar (www.euriziano.eu). As far as nouns, qualifying adjectives and verbs are concerned, the general principle applies that one always starts with the search for the corresponding Latin word and, if it does not exist (as is the case, for example, for neologisms formed after the Roman era), or if it does exist, but is expressed by the combination of two or more words, one goes on to consider the corresponding Esperanto word according to the generative algorithm described in the grammar.In practice, everyone can derive the Euriziano vocabulary on their own without having an Euriziano vocabulary !

I think that derivating words from Esperanto is a bad idea.

[WeepingElf]

Let me clarify my stance on artificial international auxiliary languages (auxlangs). Making an auxlang is a legitimate intellectual pursuit; indeed, I have laid down my ideas how I'd design one, and maybe I'll make a "case study auxlang" based on these ideas one day.

Yet, I, like many other artlangers, am put off by the missionary zeal that often comes with auxlang proposals. After all, proposing a new auxlang implies that none of the previous auxlangs were good enough, because if there are already so many, why make a new one? There must be something wrong with them! But why should this particular auxlang succeed where all the others have failed? The supply of proposed auxlangs by far exceeds the demand for them. We already have one language that is pretty much the global standard for international communication, and that is English. Which shows that an international auxiliary language need not be perfect: English has a number of "flaws", such as difficult phonemes (the "th" sounds), irregular spelling, and irregular verbs - all things that would be considered crippling in the auxlang community. And yet, everybody uses it.

But getting back to Euriziano itself: it appears to be a reasonably designed auxlang (I have only taken a brief look at it, so I cannot really say much about it). I have seen pretty crazy ones, and Euriziano is not one of those. Using Graeco-Latin internationalisms as the base of the vocabulary is IMHO a good choice, even if there are some problems with it (see the False friends thread for examples). The phonology and orthography are quite appropriate, too. So I'd say that Euriziano is quite good, but not outstanding. But I don't see how it could be the one that succeeds where the others of its kind have failed.

[eldin raigmore]

I think most, and maybe all, of the conlangs I’ve worked on so far, are at least partly engelangs. In fact my “big three” are mostly engelangs, I think!

If making them teaches me more about languages-in-general, they serve that purpose. So does asking other conlangers for their opinions of my conlangs. And maybe reading and posting such comments, teaches those folks a bit more about languages, or about conlanging; or clarifies their ideas! It could happen!

[Eurigo]

All the words in the Euriziano language originate from the vocabularies of two languages: Latin and Esperanto. Therefore, if you have the vocabularies of Latin and Esperanto at your disposal, you can derive any word of the Euriziano language simply by keeping in mind the easy rules described in the grammar . The rules of derivation are different for nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, pronouns, prepositions and conjunctions. As far as adverbs, prepositions and conjunctions are concerned, they are exactly those of the Latin language (apart from a few minor variations) while pronouns and all adjectives other than qualifying adjectives are derived from Latin according to the rules described in the grammar (www.euriziano.eu). As far as nouns, qualifying adjectives and verbs are concerned, the general principle applies that one always starts with the search for the corresponding Latin word and, if it does not exist (as is the case, for example, for neologisms formed after the Roman era), or if it does exist, but is expressed by the combination of two or more words, one goes on to consider the corresponding Esperanto word according to the generative algorithm described in the grammar.In practice, everyone can derive the Euriziano vocabulary on their own without having an Euriziano vocabulary !

I think that derivating words from Esperanto is a bad idea.

may I know why?

[TBPO]

All the words in the Euriziano language originate from the vocabularies of two languages: Latin and Esperanto. Therefore, if you have the vocabularies of Latin and Esperanto at your disposal, you can derive any word of the Euriziano language simply by keeping in mind the easy rules described in the grammar . The rules of derivation are different for nouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, pronouns, prepositions and conjunctions. As far as adverbs, prepositions and conjunctions are concerned, they are exactly those of the Latin language (apart from a few minor variations) while pronouns and all adjectives other than qualifying adjectives are derived from Latin according to the rules described in the grammar (www.euriziano.eu). As far as nouns, qualifying adjectives and verbs are concerned, the general principle applies that one always starts with the search for the corresponding Latin word and, if it does not exist (as is the case, for example, for neologisms formed after the Roman era), or if it does exist, but is expressed by the combination of two or more words, one goes on to consider the corresponding Esperanto word according to the generative algorithm described in the grammar.In practice, everyone can derive the Euriziano vocabulary on their own without having an Euriziano vocabulary !

I think that derivating words from Esperanto is a bad idea.

may I know why?

I think that better way of creating international vocabulary is derivating wirds from Proto-Indo-Europenian or generating average results using AI.

[WeepingElf]

Let me clarify my stance on artificial international auxiliary languages (auxlangs). Making an auxlang is a legitimate intellectual pursuit; indeed, I have laid down my ideas how I'd design one, and maybe I'll make a "case study auxlang" based on these ideas one day.

Also, I should add that the motivation behind auxlangs - facilitating understanding and cooperation between people of different languages - is a good and laudable one. One cannot really be against that! The question, though, is how much making up an auxlang really helps achieve actual progress here.