Random ideas: Morphosyntax

[HolyHandGrenade!]

A conlang in which are not subject and object, but short cause, long cause, short effect and long effect. Speakers are speaking 2 or more simultaneouns expressions, each about other person.

For example:
1SG-2SG anger-personal.heresy hate-small.size satisfaction-wound prison-depression.
I hit him.

Interesting idea. I imagine this structure could also be hijacked for all kinds of grammar.

[TBPO]

Here's the evidentiality system of Proto-Yuh as it stands right now, at an unimpressive 14 compared to Micamo's 19403841. It's also not as structured. However, I don't really mind, but I may add in a few more if I think of them:

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Experienced it oneself
o	Visual (The rabbit ran through here, I saw with my own eyes.)
o	Auditory (The rabbit ran through here, I heard it with my own ears.)
o	Odor (The rabbit ran through here, I smelled it with my own nose.)
o	Taste/Feel (The rabbit ran through here, I felt it with my own hands.)
o	Mentally, non-religious dreams, intuition (The rabbit ran through here, I saw it in my head.)
o	Prophecy, divine omens, etc. (The rabbit ran through here, I know it because the gods showed me.)

Inferential
o	Determined from experience (The rabbit must have run through here, because my experience has shown me that rabbits usually run through here.)
o	Determined from something one learned, and/or  general knowledge (i.e., The rabbit must have run through here, because someone taught me to recognize that rabbits usually run through here.)
o	Evidenced (The rabbit must have run through here, because there is physical evidence that proves it.)
o	Assumed, or inferred through logic or other means or reasoning (The rabbit ran through here, because I have reasoned it to be so.)

Reported
o	Told directly by someone else who directly experienced it, so the information is not to be questioned (The rabbit ran through here, someone else who directly experienced it told me.)
o	Told directly by someone who inferred it, so the information can be questionable (The rabbit ran through here, someone else who inferred it told me.)
o	Thirdhand hearsay (The rabbit ran through here, someone heard it from someone else.)
o	General hearsay (The rabbit ran through here, that’s what I heard [from overhearing a conversation, taking part in a group talk, etc.].)

Evidentiality idea (maybe I'll add it to English Creole:
-Sensory - I perceived it with eyes, nose etc.
-Mental - I saw it in a vision / I feel that it's here / I believe it
-Logical - I deduced it
-Reported - Someone told me it
-Gnomic - It's general truth or heaarsay

[Omzinesý]

A "semireflexive" pronoun that refers to a group that the subject belongs to!

The context of use:
He led them[the group he is included to] to the town.

[HolyHandGrenade!]

Word order for nouns determined by who would win in a fight

[Arayaz]

Word order for nouns determined by who would win in a fight

Didn't Imralu do that in Balog?

[Khemehekis]

Word order for nouns determined by who would win in a fight

Didn't Imralu do that in Balog?

According to https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=32 ... ht#p325315 , yes.

[Creyeditor]

A "semireflexive" pronoun that refers to a group that the subject belongs to!

The context of use:
He led them[the group he is included to] to the town.

That sounds cool. Would it contrast with a 'proper' plural reflexive?

[Knox Adjacent]

Concurred "That is neat-o."

[Omzinesý]

A "semireflexive" pronoun that refers to a group that the subject belongs to!

The context of use:
He led them[the group he is included to] to the town.

That sounds cool. Would it contrast with a 'proper' plural reflexive?

That was my idea.
If there is a plural contrast in reflexive pronouns, it could of course be identical with the plural pronoun too. Not a bad idea either.

[Omzinesý]

Nothing super strange but I think this is a nice idea.

A lang has many ambitransitive verbs like 'to hook' and 'to boil' in the present.
Their perfective past forms are though formed with 'to have' when they have an agent and 'to be' when they don't.

[Creyeditor]

Some German verbs do this. Zerbrechen 'to break' is ambitransitive. In its intransitive form it takes sein 'to be' in the Perfekt (which semantically is a past tense in spoken language), in its transitive form it takes haben 'to have'.

Die Vase ist zerbrochen.
the.F.NOM vase be.3SG break.PTCP
'The vase broke.'

Ich habe die Vase zerbrochen.
1SG.NOM have.1SG vase break.PTCP
'I broke the vase.'

So maybe ANADEW or ANADESLB?

[TBPO]

Some German verbs do this. Zerbrechen 'to break' is ambitransitive. In its intransitive form it takes sein 'to be' in the Perfekt (which semantically is a past tense in spoken language), in its transitive form it takes haben 'to have'.

Die Vase ist zerbrochen.
the.F.NOM vase be.3SG break.PTCP
'The vase broke.'

Ich habe die Vase zerbrochen.
1SG.NOM have.1SG vase break.PTCP
'I broke the vase.'

So maybe ANADEW or ANADESLB?

What is ANADESLB?

[Creyeditor]

A Natlang Already Did it Except Slightly Less Bad.

[thethief3]

[Creyeditor]

So what's the idea?

[thethief3]

The language contrasts partial and complete motion along vertical and horizontal axises. This comes with a caucasian style complex locative system where locatives can fufill other roles as well as a heavily bound object+verb complex where extraction of either is mainly achieved through demonstratives or verbal anaphors. Also very interesting phonological quirks but they aren't really morphosyntax.

[Creyeditor]

[...] extraction of either is mainly achieved through demonstratives or verbal anaphors [...]

How does this work?

[thethief3]

Haven't worked out the verbal anaphors yet.

[Omzinesý]

I have a project where preverbs code associated motion. The preverbs are alike with prepositions.

I'm thinking coding deixis with stressing the preverb or not.

(pseudo-English examples)

in-spóke
'came in and spoke'

ín-spoke
'went in and spoke'

I haven't though found up a historical development that would lead to such a coding.

[Creyeditor]

German has lots of quasi-minimal pairs where stress is either on the (directional) prefix or on the root and this changes the semantics. Here is an example (with stress marked by an acute accent.):

um-fáhren
around-drive
'to drive around s.o.'

úm-fahren
around-drive
'to knock s.o. over while driving'

My guess is that these where grammaticalized at different points from adverbial uses of prepositions.