Multiverse of Eyilunas Megathread

[TBPO]

Spoiler:

So this is a spur of the moment question, but how would an organically generated beam made up of heat-removing gases work while mostly obeying the laws of thermodynamics?

well, what does it do with the heat? does it remove their motion (thus rendering them immobile and thus causing no friction), or does it slip the heat into a pocket dimension, or...?

That’s what my question is. I don’t know what it does with the heat, so I’m asking what would be the most thermodynamically plausible explanation for all of the stuff I already have down.

thermodynamically speaking, the most plausible explanation is that Alien Space Bats stole all the heat while everyone was watching the gas being spat out.

{and before you ask, ASBs are more powerful than any movie entity or religious deity, and harder to detect than a pink elephant when nobody is thinking of one} :)

without ASBs, you need to remember that gas has atoms and maybe molecules...and when anything gets heated, those atoms start moving around - the more they move, the hotter they are.

I did in fact know that heat is the vibration of atoms, and do tend to have that in mind regarding these things. Though, I feel like you could’ve at least given this a better shot than “Alien Space Bats”.

That said, the Frostbite Blast does have its weaknesses as an attack, as while even extremely high temperatures can be negated near instantly, this is only possible with targets comparable in size to or about double the body mass of Shimousaurus supremus. As such, if a Kaiju sufficiently larger than a Shimousaurus supremus shields itself with sufficient amounts of heat, it will be able to withstand the Frostbite Blast due to the combination of its surface area and its heat generation ability. As such, targets such as stars are incapable of being significantly affected by the Frostbite Blast due to their surface area and temperature.

Well, the shield suggests that the gasses can be deflected or negated.

Also, I’m not sure if you missed what I was trying to get across there or not, but I’ll explain it again more clearly: the point of me writing that was to say that there are two factors to take note of with the Frostbite Blast’s effects: 1) high temperatures (higher temps take longer to remove), and 2) surface area of a target.

Okay, I need to know if you've ever seen anyone freeze something with liquid nitrogen.
it doesn't matter if the entire object (say, a rose flower and stem and leaves) gets exposed to the liquid nitrogen...the entire object will be dead regardless.

though with what you're talking about, I'd suggest something at the Universal Background Radiation temperature, rather than that of liquid nitrogen. 3 degrees Kelvin might have a chance of cancelling all that heat.

I actually have seen people freeze stuff with liquid nitrogen. Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched anyone do it, but it is a mental image I have. The thing is, this beam isn’t a ‘cold’ beam. Yes, it removes heat from its surroundings (however that works), so in a way it is cold, but it isn’t a beam of ice or snow or liquid nitrogen. It’s a beam of gases that remove heat.

You can use just substances that have extremally low temperature of evaporation, and they can absorb heat to have the same temperature as evironment. And voilá - you have freezing gas that doesn't brake Law of Thermodynamics.

[Keenir]

I actually have seen people freeze stuff with liquid nitrogen. Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched anyone do it, but it is a mental image I have. The thing is, this beam isn’t a ‘cold’ beam. Yes, it removes heat from its surroundings (however that works), so in a way it is cold, but it isn’t a beam of ice or snow or liquid nitrogen. It’s a beam of gases that remove heat.

maybe you should just do what nuclear power plants do to cool down their fuel rods: pour water on them. (or water vapor, since you keep insisting on a gas)

okay, at the very least, I've helped you narrow down what this beam isn't and what it doesn't do...it doesn't shunt heat to another dimension, it doesn't chill the heat or in any way slow down the rapid-moving atoms, and it miiiight be something cold.

[GodzillaLouise]

Spoiler:

So this is a spur of the moment question, but how would an organically generated beam made up of heat-removing gases work while mostly obeying the laws of thermodynamics?

well, what does it do with the heat? does it remove their motion (thus rendering them immobile and thus causing no friction), or does it slip the heat into a pocket dimension, or...?

That’s what my question is. I don’t know what it does with the heat, so I’m asking what would be the most thermodynamically plausible explanation for all of the stuff I already have down.

thermodynamically speaking, the most plausible explanation is that Alien Space Bats stole all the heat while everyone was watching the gas being spat out.

{and before you ask, ASBs are more powerful than any movie entity or religious deity, and harder to detect than a pink elephant when nobody is thinking of one} :)

without ASBs, you need to remember that gas has atoms and maybe molecules...and when anything gets heated, those atoms start moving around - the more they move, the hotter they are.

I did in fact know that heat is the vibration of atoms, and do tend to have that in mind regarding these things. Though, I feel like you could’ve at least given this a better shot than “Alien Space Bats”.

That said, the Frostbite Blast does have its weaknesses as an attack, as while even extremely high temperatures can be negated near instantly, this is only possible with targets comparable in size to or about double the body mass of Shimousaurus supremus. As such, if a Kaiju sufficiently larger than a Shimousaurus supremus shields itself with sufficient amounts of heat, it will be able to withstand the Frostbite Blast due to the combination of its surface area and its heat generation ability. As such, targets such as stars are incapable of being significantly affected by the Frostbite Blast due to their surface area and temperature.

Well, the shield suggests that the gasses can be deflected or negated.

Also, I’m not sure if you missed what I was trying to get across there or not, but I’ll explain it again more clearly: the point of me writing that was to say that there are two factors to take note of with the Frostbite Blast’s effects: 1) high temperatures (higher temps take longer to remove), and 2) surface area of a target.

Okay, I need to know if you've ever seen anyone freeze something with liquid nitrogen.
it doesn't matter if the entire object (say, a rose flower and stem and leaves) gets exposed to the liquid nitrogen...the entire object will be dead regardless.

though with what you're talking about, I'd suggest something at the Universal Background Radiation temperature, rather than that of liquid nitrogen. 3 degrees Kelvin might have a chance of cancelling all that heat.

I actually have seen people freeze stuff with liquid nitrogen. Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched anyone do it, but it is a mental image I have. The thing is, this beam isn’t a ‘cold’ beam. Yes, it removes heat from its surroundings (however that works), so in a way it is cold, but it isn’t a beam of ice or snow or liquid nitrogen. It’s a beam of gases that remove heat.

You can use just substances that have extremally low temperature of evaporation, and they can absorb heat to have the same temperature as evironment. And voilá - you have freezing gas that doesn't brake Law of Thermodynamics.

Question: wouldn’t that just cause the heat to be transferred to the beam? I don’t know what a substance with an extremely low evaporation temperature would be like, so if not, let me know, cause this sounds like a great explanation for this beam.

Also, there is another predicament about this beam: this isn’t some sort of directed-energy weapon device, something that which seems to be what everyone’s thinking it is. It’s actually an advanced biological trait evolved by a group of fictional Carcharodontosaurid dinosaurs related closely to Giganotosaurus in response to being landlocked in an environment which was still in a state of constant extreme heat from Earth’s formation.

It would have started off as just gases secreted through glands in the skin, but eventually their descendants could harness and concentrate those glands’ production of this gas into a stronger, continuous beam made of it, that being the beam we’ve been discussing.

[Keenir]

Question: wouldn’t that just cause the heat to be transferred to the beam?

it might, but it would thereby remove the heat from whatever it was targetted at.

Also, there is another predicament about this beam: this isn’t some sort of directed-energy weapon device,

yes it is. you described exactly that before, and below.

something that which seems to be what everyone’s thinking it is. It’s actually an advanced biological trait evolved by a group of fictional Carcharodontosaurid dinosaurs related closely to Giganotosaurus in response to being landlocked in an environment which was still in a state of constant extreme heat from Earth’s formation.

It would have started off as just gases secreted through glands in the skin, but eventually their descendants could harness and concentrate those glands’ production of this gas into a stronger, continuous beam made of it, that being the beam we’ve been discussing.

It doesn't matter if its of biological origin or not - just like the bombadier beetle is classified as a weapon.

[GodzillaLouise]

Also, there is another predicament about this beam: this isn’t some sort of directed-energy weapon device,

yes it is. you described exactly that before, and below.

something that which seems to be what everyone’s thinking it is. It’s actually an advanced biological trait evolved by a group of fictional Carcharodontosaurid dinosaurs related closely to Giganotosaurus in response to being landlocked in an environment which was still in a state of constant extreme heat from Earth’s formation.

It would have started off as just gases secreted through glands in the skin, but eventually their descendants could harness and concentrate those glands’ production of this gas into a stronger, continuous beam made of it, that being the beam we’ve been discussing.

It doesn't matter if its of biological origin or not - just like the bombadier beetle is classified as a weapon.

That thing regarding the bombardier beetle’s defense mechanism is… actually something I did not know, so the fact this would be a directed energy weapon despite being of biological origin is news to me. I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks.

Question: wouldn’t that just cause the heat to be transferred to the beam?

it might, but it would thereby remove the heat from whatever it was targetted at.

Yeah, that’s what I figured and not necessarily why I was concerned. Yes, the heat would be removed from the target and transferred to the beam, but wouldn’t that mean that the beam’s now just as hot as whatever it was fired at? The Frostbite Blast’s supposed to not just remove heat, but also neutralize it.

In other words, to use an example I brought up earlier, if we go this route, it’d take the Frostbite Blast only a few seconds to completely overwhelm the immense heat generation of a Godzillasaurus Maximus’s Nuclear Attack Aura (which is an aura of thermonuclear flames generated at a temperature approximately two-thirds the temperature of the sun’s core) and it would simultaneously be cooling the flames to much lower temperatures. Basically, the beam’s removing heat than following up by doing something to near-instantly cool it down massively.

[Keenir]

it might, but it would thereby remove the heat from whatever it was targetted at.

Yeah, that’s what I figured and not necessarily why I was concerned. Yes, the heat would be removed from the target and transferred to the beam, but wouldn’t that mean that the beam’s now just as hot as whatever it was fired at?

okay, think of a fire extinguisher: it works by suffocating the fire...but it wouldn't work if the cold gases and liquids in the extinguisher became as hot as the fire. If they became as hot as fire, then it wouldn't matter if the original fire died out, because the extinguisher's output would quickly make nearby objects also catch fire.

...or, another option: take a large cup of hot tea or coffee, with steam rising from it - and now add an ice cube...the drink becomes less hot.

[GodzillaLouise]

it might, but it would thereby remove the heat from whatever it was targetted at.

Yeah, that’s what I figured and not necessarily why I was concerned. Yes, the heat would be removed from the target and transferred to the beam, but wouldn’t that mean that the beam’s now just as hot as whatever it was fired at?

okay, think of a fire extinguisher: it works by suffocating the fire...but it wouldn't work if the cold gases and liquids in the extinguisher became as hot as the fire. If they became as hot as fire, then it wouldn't matter if the original fire died out, because the extinguisher's output would quickly make nearby objects also catch fire.

...or, another option: take a large cup of hot tea or coffee, with steam rising from it - and now add an ice cube...the drink becomes less hot.

The concern was more with the speed of the reaction. I never outright said I didn’t think it’d work at all, I was more or less trying to express my concern that it might not be able to cool the heat as quickly as it’s supposed to.

[Keenir]

The concern was more with the speed of the reaction. I never outright said I didn’t think it’d work at all, I was more or less trying to express my concern that it might not be able to cool the heat as quickly as it’s supposed to.

my apologies then: I had thought your replies were aimed at whether or not it would work; I wasn't worried about the speed of it.

well, go back over the suggestions we've all made to you...and read them without such a literal cast to it -- even if you don't use liquid nitrogen itself, for example, use its principle: a single second of time spent by a rose in liquid nitrogen, will freeze the rose so completely that it will shatter given the slightest provocation...

...so simply use such a vast coldness that the nuclear fires all go pft in defeat.

[GodzillaLouise]

Currently working on the script for episode 1 of my series M/L/V, but out of curiosity: what could Sigmatic fission actually look like?

It’s described as this by a background character in a scene where he’s misidentifying it as an unknown form of energy coming off of a Kaiju.

Spoiler:

We’ve been ordered to figure out what the energy is so we can figure out how to stop contamination, but the data’s all over the place. It’s some form of non-ionizing subquantum radiation that distorts neutral electromagnetic charges around it. Sigmatic fusion’s been thrown around as a potential source, but we would’ve detected that last night, and the particles from that would be thousands of times heavier than what we’re detecting.

Later in the same scene, this is what another character, Eriz Avhorus, says about it:

Spoiler:

Sigmatic fission from two atoms of Garitricium typically yields several trillions of particles that would be smaller than electrons by a factor of about a hundred thousand.

Reminder that Garitricium is element 201 on the periodic table in the Multiverse of Eyilunas.

Anyway, moving on from the Frostbite Blast conundrum (as it has nothing to do with the current focus of my series), the script for Episode 1 was recently finished, and the first quote regarding Sigmatic Fission was changed.

In the same scene as I was using previously, an unnamed background character starts trying to describe Sigmatic fission in this manner (though not knowing it is Sigmatic fission due to poor data resulting from their detectors being incapable of easily detecting Sigmatic fission):

Oh, only the most nonsensical unidentified energy signatures coming off a yet-to-be codenamed bioweapon. We’ve been ordered to figure out what the energy source is so we can figure out how to minimize any potential risks that may arise upon it’s destruction, but…

The description is then finished up by another unnamed background character.

The data’s all over the heckin’ universe. It’s some form of non-ionizing subquantum radiation. I’ve been throwing Sigmatic fusion around as a potential source, but everyone’s been saying we would’ve detected that last night, and that the particles from that would be thousands of times heavier than what we’re detecting, yada yada yada.

Later in the same scene, this is what another character, Eriz Avhorus, says about it:

Besides, sigmatic fission from two atoms of Garitricium typically yields several trillions of particles that would be smaller than electrons by a factor of about a hundred thousand. That’s exactly what we’re seeing.

As for other things of note, the reason two atoms of an element are needed for Sigmatic fission is something I’m not sure about: this is supposed to be the splitting of atoms into particles on a scale even smaller than the subatomic scale, not nuclear fusion. But, whatever the case, there should be some justification that makes it a necessary part of the reaction.

Also, some clarification is in order: Sigmatic fission is non-ionizing. There is nothing about Sigmatic fusion or Sigmatic fission that is ionizing. I don’t have any clue why I described it as “a form of nuclear radiation that is somehow non-ionizing”, cause that’s quite misleading. It was never really supposed to be ionizing. Though, that’s not to say it can’t be used to power things that can then be used to ionize.

Anyway, the question is still just “what would the process of Sigmatic fission look like?”

[GodzillaLouise]

Anyway, moving on from the Frostbite Blast conundrum (as it has nothing to do with the current focus of my series), the script for Episode 1 was recently finished, and the first quote regarding Sigmatic Fission was changed.

In the same scene as I was using previously, an unnamed background character starts trying to describe Sigmatic fission in this manner (though not knowing it is Sigmatic fission due to poor data resulting from their detectors being incapable of easily detecting Sigmatic fission):

Oh, only the most nonsensical unidentified energy signatures coming off a yet-to-be codenamed bioweapon. We’ve been ordered to figure out what the energy source is so we can figure out how to minimize any potential risks that may arise upon it’s destruction, but…

The description is then finished up by another unnamed background character.

The data’s all over the heckin’ universe. It’s some form of non-ionizing subquantum radiation. I’ve been throwing Sigmatic fusion around as a potential source, but everyone’s been saying we would’ve detected that last night, and that the particles from that would be thousands of times heavier than what we’re detecting, yada yada yada.

Later in the same scene, this is what another character, Eriz Avhorus, says about it:

Besides, sigmatic fission from two atoms of Garitricium typically yields several trillions of particles that would be smaller than electrons by a factor of about a hundred thousand. That’s exactly what we’re seeing.

As for other things of note, the reason two atoms of an element are needed for Sigmatic fission is something I’m not sure about: this is supposed to be the splitting of atoms into particles on a scale even smaller than the subatomic scale, not nuclear fusion. But, whatever the case, there should be some justification that makes it a necessary part of the reaction.

Also, some clarification is in order: Sigmatic fission is non-ionizing. There is nothing about Sigmatic fusion or Sigmatic fission that is ionizing. I don’t have any clue why I described it as “a form of nuclear radiation that is somehow non-ionizing”, cause that’s quite misleading. It was never really supposed to be ionizing. Though, that’s not to say it can’t be used to power things that can then be used to ionize.

Anyway, the question is still just “what would the process of Sigmatic fission look like?”

Actually, first, a better question is probably something like “is there any way that a subquantum scale that extends to several trillions of smaller than the smallest known particles could be explained realistically?” It doesn’t have to be a perfect explanation, nor does it have to be within currently accepted physics models. In other words, gluons, photons, and the hypothetical gravitons may or may not necessarily be massless in the Multiverse of Eyilunas.

[GodzillaLouise]

Ok, seeing as the whole “how would Sigmatic Fission function realistically” thing was pretty much ignored twice, I’ll move on to something else. This one’s a bit more… subjective, but it has to do with phylogenetic relationships in a clade that does not exist irl.

I’ll let the doc, which is the link at the end of this, explain itself, but I’ve created a clade for genuine dragons and dragon-like reptiles as a sister clade to the Archosauria and Testudines within Archelosauria, called Draconisauria, and want to know if there’s any sense of realism to the phylogenetic relationships I’ve created (note that there are many phylogenetic rankings between these, and I just wasn’t able to list every rank from Draconisauria to the listed, individual species).

If there are any questions regarding the physical traits of individual phylogenetic ranks, I will answer them.

Here’s the link to the doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V_g ... I1RcM/edit

[GodzillaLouise]

If there are any questions regarding the physical traits of individual phylogenetic ranks, I will answer them.

Though, thinking about it… in the case of Entomolawyrma, it’s probably worth just answering the question immediately: They’re basal draconians that have converged with and strongly resemble insects. They still have all the traits of archelosaurs and of basal draconians.

[GodzillaLouise]

Anyway, moving on from the Frostbite Blast conundrum (as it has nothing to do with the current focus of my series), the script for Episode 1 was recently finished, and the first quote regarding Sigmatic Fission was changed.

In the same scene as I was using previously, an unnamed background character starts trying to describe Sigmatic fission in this manner (though not knowing it is Sigmatic fission due to poor data resulting from their detectors being incapable of easily detecting Sigmatic fission):

Oh, only the most nonsensical unidentified energy signatures coming off a yet-to-be codenamed bioweapon. We’ve been ordered to figure out what the energy source is so we can figure out how to minimize any potential risks that may arise upon it’s destruction, but…

The description is then finished up by another unnamed background character.

The data’s all over the heckin’ universe. It’s some form of non-ionizing subquantum radiation. I’ve been throwing Sigmatic fusion around as a potential source, but everyone’s been saying we would’ve detected that last night, and that the particles from that would be thousands of times heavier than what we’re detecting, yada yada yada.

Later in the same scene, this is what another character, Eriz Avhorus, says about it:

Besides, sigmatic fission from two atoms of Garitricium typically yields several trillions of particles that would be smaller than electrons by a factor of about a hundred thousand. That’s exactly what we’re seeing.

As for other things of note, the reason two atoms of an element are needed for Sigmatic fission is something I’m not sure about: this is supposed to be the splitting of atoms into particles on a scale even smaller than the subatomic scale, not nuclear fusion. But, whatever the case, there should be some justification that makes it a necessary part of the reaction.

Also, some clarification is in order: Sigmatic fission is non-ionizing. There is nothing about Sigmatic fusion or Sigmatic fission that is ionizing. I don’t have any clue why I described it as “a form of nuclear radiation that is somehow non-ionizing”, cause that’s quite misleading. It was never really supposed to be ionizing. Though, that’s not to say it can’t be used to power things that can then be used to ionize.

Anyway, the question is still just “what would the process of Sigmatic fission look like?”

Actually, first, a better question is probably something like “is there any way that a subquantum scale that extends to several trillions of smaller than the smallest known particles could be explained realistically?” It doesn’t have to be a perfect explanation, nor does it have to be within currently accepted physics models. In other words, gluons, photons, and the hypothetical gravitons may or may not necessarily be massless in the Multiverse of Eyilunas.

I’ve just had a revelation about Sigmatic Radiation… it can’t be non-ionizing, as it’s made up of subquantum particles, and particle radiation is, according to Google, by definition a form of ionizing radiation.

Though, that should also mean that Sigmatic Radiation can be non-ionizing, counting both fission and fusion, if it actually is not a form of particle radiation. If I’m correct, subquantum particles just needs to not be particles. Though, I’m not sure about making it a form of EMR right now. Any suggestions?